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Si modo · #**166** (**permalink**) 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

I will only address this bit because the rest of your post is not important.

I never said they are not Muslims. Does that mean they represent 1.5 Billion Muslims? Does that mean they represent Islam? OF COURSE NOT. This is what you are finding difficulties understanding.

There are rapists, robbers, child abusers, fraudsters, violent criminals and for sure terrorists...etc... who call themselves Muslims. Does that mean 1.5 Billion Muslims are like this? NO OF COURSE NOT.

Where I have a problem with you and some here is that you try to somehow link these immoral acts to Islam. This has turned into paranoia recently here to the point where some want to wipe out Muslims... someone wants to drop a bomb in Mekkah.... someone wants to shake the hands of those who killed thousands of Muslims...etc.. sorry but this is irrational and uncivilised.

For once, seriously,...explain to me why one would go to such extremes. Again, I agree with you that those attackers were Muslims but I explained to you many times that this is not from Islam and they do not represent the Muslim World. Explain to me why would you shake the hand of those who killed thousands of Muslims? Explain to me why would someone go to such extremes.

I have to put you on the spot here because I have to really get why you would react this way and some here have too. Its irrational.

WS.

Your continued strawmen are uninteresting. The attackers were Muslim. They shot unarmed non-combabants. They were cowards. They were Muslim. I would say deal with it again, but obviously you lack the capacity to do so.

Wisdom_Seeker · #**167** (**permalink**) 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by Si modo

Your continued strawmen are uninteresting. The attackers were Muslim. They shot unarmed non-combabants. They were cowards. They were Muslim. I would say deal with it again, but obviously you lack the capacity to do so.

I knew you will dodge my question. You cant answer it truthfully because you will expose your true views.. just like you slipped up recently. Bigotry is not tollerated.

Anyone else would like to answer my queries in post 165??

It doesnt matter if they were Muslim or not...they will be judged by their actions

Now you cant be civilised and discuss my post.... you should step aside and let someone brave to take on the challenge lol. And work on your mood problem... its gettin serious.

WS.

Si modo · #**168** (**permalink**) 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

I knew you will dodge my question. You cant answer it truthfully because you will expose your true views.. just like you slipped up recently. Bigotry is not tollerated.

Anyone else would like to answer my queries in post 165??

It doesnt matter if they were Muslim or not...they will be judged by their actions

Now you cant be civilised and discuss my post.... you should step aside and let someone brave to take on the challenge lol. And work on your mood problem... its gettin serious.

WS.

Again, there is the need to repeat myself with you. Obviously you see what you want to see - it goes to the martre mentality. Wrap your head around this: I have no interest in your strawmen. I have no interest in your ad hominems

The attackers in Mumbai were Muslim. They attacked non-combatants. They were cowards. They were bad. Deal with it.

metalted · #**169** (**permalink**) 12-09-2008

Please someone explain to me how it is possible these terrorists do not understand their own religion and that they all just made this up. Explain how it is incompatible with the teachings of the Warlord prophet.

DammitBoy! · #**170** (**permalink**) 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

Again, I will remind you what you said in your earlier posts...

Why would you have to remind me of my post when I quoted it in my question to you? You know, the one you've avoided answering again...

Dont try to backtrack... you can try and apologise and we will take it from there but right now... thats your position and it will remain as it is.

Backtrack? Apologise? Fuck that, won't happen.

Death to all arab/muslim/terrorists.

Si modo · #**171** (**permalink**) 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

I knew you will dodge my question. You cant answer it truthfully because you will expose your true views.. just like you slipped up recently. Bigotry is not tollerated.

Anyone else would like to answer my queries in post 165??

It doesnt matter if they were Muslim or not...they will be judged by their actions

Now you cant be civilised and discuss my post.... you should step aside and let someone brave to take on the challenge lol. And work on your mood problem... its gettin serious.

WS.

How very pathetic. Do try to focus. Your questions are irrelevant to the topic at hand as other posters are not the topic. It may seem a difficult concept to grasp, but really it's quite simple. Your questions are also irrelevant as they concern the fallacy of the ad hominem; but if you wish to continue with such fallacy, I would be a fool to stop you. Finally, your questions are strawmen - another fallacy.

In closing, do also try to keep personal bullshit out of your posts as your posts would be less impotent. I realize I am fascinating, but focus on the topic.

mudwhistle · #**172** (**permalink**) 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by EagleSeven

You call that beautiful? We Sun-worshippers were building graves bigger than that thousands of years before that stupid temple was made...

Both are beautiful in my opinion.

But I keep hearing this word 'we'. My understanding was that those pyramids were built by Hebrew slaves.

I wonder if you would like to also take credit for being the first slave holders in recorded history, because without those Hebrew slaves 'we' wouldn't be able to enjoy the majesty of such an accomplishment of engineering.

mudwhistle · #**173** (**permalink**) 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

Thats not true. Muslims live peacefully in the west... in America and other western nations. You have Christians living in Muslim countries for centuries as well. Infact many Gulf countries have become a popular destination for westerns to immigrate to.

There are Jewish communities in North Africa where they reside since they immigrated from Europe which was hunting them down back in those days.

Dont make the mistake of mixing politics with religion.

WS.

We already know what the Iranian extremists are doing to Gays in their country but their next target is Christians.

I wonder why it is that Iran is drafting legislation that says that Christianity will be punishable by death.

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ISTANBUL, July 9 (Compass Direct News) – Iranian authorities have detained two converts to Christianity in the southern city of Shiraz for eight weeks on suspicion of “apostasy,” or leaving Islam. In Iran, apostasy is a crime that can be punishable by death.

Mahmood Matin, 52, and Arash Bandari, 44, remain imprisoned in a secret police detention center known by its address, Sepah Street 100, located in the center of Shiraz since their arrest on May 15 (previously reported as May 13).

A draft penal code under discussion in Iran’s parliament this month may make the death penalty obligatory for those who leave Islam or use the Internet to encourage others to do so. Compass Direct News : IRAN - EX-MUSLIMS DETAINED FOR ‘APOSTASY’

Apostasy in Islam (Arabic: ارتداد, irtidād or ridda‎) is commonly defined as the rejection of Islam in word or deed by a person who has been a Muslim.

The four major Sunni and the one major Shia Madh'hab (schools of Islamic jurisprudence) agree that a sane adult male apostate must be executed. They differ on the punishment for a female apostate - some schools calling for death and others for imprisonment. According to Wael Hallaq nothing of the apostasy law are derived from the Qur'an, although the jurist al-Shafi'i interpreted the Qu'ranic verse 2:217 as providing the main evidence for apostasy being a capital crime in Islam.

Preferred form of execution
Most Islamic scholars agree that the appropriate punishment for apostasy is beheading. However, according to hadith, apostates sometimes were tortured to death. The caliph Umar II had apostates tied to a post and a lance thrust into their hearts. Mamluk Sultan Baybars II also practiced torture of apostates. A case is recorded when a woman who had apostatised was led through the streets of Cairo on an ass, then strangled in a boat in the middle of the Nile and thrown into the river. In modern times, followers of the Ahmadiyya sect in Afghanistan were stoned to death. The execution for apostasy was abolished in most Muslim lands in the 19th century either through European pressure or through the direct European rule; however, cases of imprisonment and deportation of apostates still occurred. Nevertheless, even nowadays apostates are not sure of their lives, as their Muslim relatives frequently try to kill them.

Ideally, the one performing the execution of an apostate must be an imam. At the same time, all schools of Islamic jurisprudence agree that any Muslim can kill an apostate without punishment.

Applying law in the Muslim world
Most countries of the Middle East and North Africa maintain a dual system of secular courts and religious courts, in which the religious courts mainly regulate marriage and inheritance. Saudi Arabia and Iran maintain religious courts for all aspects of jurisprudence, and religious police assert social compliance. Sharia is also used in Sudan, Libya and Afghanistan. Some states in northern Nigeria have reintroduced Sharia courts. In practice the new Sharia courts in Nigeria have most often meant the reintroduction of relatively harsh punishments without respecting the much tougher rules of evidence and testimony. Apostasy in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I wonder how long it will take for this to spread everywhere.

The Sudan is currently undergoing a genocide. Muslims killing Christians.

pramjockey · #**174** (**permalink**) 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by DammitBoy!

Backtrack? Apologise? Fuck that, won't happen.

Death to all arab/muslim/terrorists.

Death to all inbred Southern bigots.

pramjockey · #**175** (**permalink**) 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

The Sudan is currently undergoing a genocide. Muslims killing Christians.

Bullshit. It is not a religious war. It's an ethnic war.

And, clearly the hands of Christianity are well stained with blood.

DammitBoy! · #**176** (**permalink**) 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

Death to all inbred Southern bigots.

I agree.

ps - I'm not 'southern' nor am I a bigot. Not inbred either.

pps - Hey pram, how'd scotland do in rugby this year?

mudwhistle · #**177** (**permalink**) 12-10-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

Bullshit. It is not a religious war. It's an ethnic war.

No shit Sherlock. An ethnic war. I would have never guessed?

Oh, and they're killing Apostates in wholesale numbers.

One Muslim woman gave an account of her son who converted to Christianity having his head sawed off while she held it in her lap.

mudwhistle · #**178** (**permalink**) 12-10-2008

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Originally Posted by DammitBoy!

I agree.

ps - I'm not 'southern' nor am I a bigot. Not inbred either.

pps - Hey pram, how'd scotland do in rugby this year?

I wouldn't be talking about someone else being inbred if I was pram.

Americans have American-Indian, Italian, Polish, African, Vietnamese, Chinese, Russian, Scottish, Irish, British, Japanese, Welsh, and just about every other nationality in their blood. We are highly mixed.

Myself I have Irish, Scottish, Italian, Norwegian, and Cherokee blood. Kind of hard to be inbred with all of that in there.

Besides we throw people in jail for nailing their sister or relatives in general.

The British Royal Family has a habit of marrying their cousins. Kind of explains why they look so inbred.

DammitBoy! · #**179** (**permalink**) 12-10-2008

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

I wouldn't be talking about someone else being inbred if I was pram.

If we restricted pram on what he shouldn't be talking about, he wouldn't have anything to post about.

Myself I have Irish, Scottish, Italian, Norwegian, and Cherokee blood. Kind of hard to be inbred with all of that in there.

Irish/Irish on me Dad's side. Dutch/West Indian on my mother's side.

The British Royal Family has a habit of marrying their cousins. Kind of explains why they look so inbred.

I think we can all agree on one thing. Fuck the British! Of course, the scots are just the brits poorer cousins...

pramjockey · #**180** (**permalink**) 12-10-2008

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Originally Posted by DammitBoy!

I agree.

ps - I'm not 'southern' nor am I a bigot. Not inbred either.

pps - Hey pram, how'd scotland do in rugby this year?

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

No shit Sherlock. An ethnic war. I would have never guessed?

Oh, and they're killing Apostates in wholesale numbers.

One Muslim woman gave an account of her son who converted to Christianity having his head sawed off while she held it in her lap.

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

I wouldn't be talking about someone else being inbred if I was pram.

Americans have American-Indian, Italian, Polish, African, Vietnamese, Chinese, Russian, Scottish, Irish, British, Japanese, Welsh, and just about every other nationality in their blood. We are highly mixed.

Myself I have Irish, Scottish, Italian, Norwegian, and Cherokee blood. Kind of hard to be inbred with all of that in there.

Besides we throw people in jail for nailing their sister or relatives in general.

The British Royal Family has a habit of marrying their cousins. Kind of explains why they look so inbred.

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Originally Posted by DammitBoy!

I think we can all agree on one thing. Fuck the British! Of course, the scots are just the brits poorer cousins...

Jesus, you guys are boring.

Mud, you need to fucking decide if you're going to put me on ignore or not. If you're going to ignore me, then cut with the backhanded bullshit insults and ignore me. If not, then don't fucking cry every time I disagree with you.

Oh, and why the fuck would I care about Scottish rugby?

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