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Capitalism is Democracy, vote with your dollar.

The audience is asked to remain seated until the end of the recession.

I can tell you that Americans can be savage when necessary...the foolish Islamic radicals who thought otherwise are dead now.

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- Milton Friedman

"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it."
- George Orwell

Blimey, look at all these drama queens gettin their knickers in a twist about "Islamic Jihadists" doing it again!!!

None of you suggested any reasonable solutions... apart from childish irrational thinking... like "lets attack everybody and forget about collateral damage".... these kinda emotional led reactions lead to stupidity and ignorance.

First, study "terrorism" ... what pushes these people to behave the way they do. Why would somebody decide to take his life along with others.... what causes this desperation. There are factors that push ppl to extremism and radical behaviour. Studyin the causes does not mean justifying "terrorism"..... it is a step towards finding solutions.

The only solutions unfortunately found by the bird brains in washington is to bomb everything apart. This actually causes more extremism and gives rise to new generations of ppl who want revenge for their dead parents, sisters, brothers... (innocent ppl).

Now then,... India is not at all innocent in this game. The only difference is that you dont read up about what India gets involved in when it goes into Kashmir. You are comfortably watching MTV while indian troops massacre villages there. Just google India and Massacres in kashmir.

India expected an attack... its just the ignorant westerners are sold the story of "terrorism" to swallow again like they swallowed Bush's. When you terrify people, you can easily manipulate them.

India has bloody hands too, so dont all go running around shouting "terrorists did it again" when you totally ignore or have no idea and didnt bother researching indias involvement in massacres of innocent ppl across the border.

I am not excusing what happened. What happened is terrible and its very likely that Muslims died too in these attacks.... but I will not sit around watchin ignorantos blaming "Muslims" or tryin to justify some sort of a retaliation due to this attack.

To me, they are no different from the attackers. So sort out your extremism first, then try to think of solutions how to sort out extremism elsewhere. Its the same shit, just in different locations.

WS.

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"You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom"- Malcom X

Injustice breeds injustice. Evil breeds evil. Extremism breeds extremism. People react naturally. Its like when you bully or beat a lil kid in school, he will bring his big brother to beat you up. You see somethin unatural about this?

It is really that simple. Once you understand this well, you will be able to think with reason not with emotion.

And please enough of this hyperbole sht,... control ur emotions, and think with reason. Remain civilised... and remember the values you are all claiming you stand for.

WS.

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Yes, you are - your whole post is an attempt to excuse the behavior of the murderers of innocent people.

No i am just explaining to you that to every action there is a reaction. What is your argument now. .. they are attackin the indian way of life? or demoracy? or indias libery and freedom?

THINK!!.... they are from the same background and if you understand whats goin on in the region . .especially the Kashmir problem, ul understand what India's involvement is and how extremism rose from that.

WS.

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"You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom"- Malcom X

Er, okay. You do realise that we're talking about grown ups here? In your effort to be understanding you've ended up being unbelieveably patronising. And racist, because I can't see you holding white Westerners to the same standard. They have higher standards, doncha know.

No, it's not. Again, you're just being patronising.

There you go. The not so covert insult. Imply that the only reason a poster disagrees with you is because they're irrational.

And their secularism.

For god's sake. Extremism rises from immaturity and evil. There is no excuse, which you are indeed giving. The Kashmir situation is nowhere near as simple as you claim. No situation ever is.

BTW, I LOVE the textspeak. So intelligent...

Aye!!

So India is Secular to you? Ok let me know when you enter the real world.

Do me a favour.... research the Kashmir problem to understand whats goin on regionally over there.

I am not patronising, I am saying it how it is. If you want to understand whats goin on, you have to be rational. Also, you have to take all factors into consideration. This is not a one sided coin.... THERE ARE NO ONE SIDED COINS.

So DONT ignore one side of the story while you concentrate on the other. India is playin its role like the US played its role after 9/11. Alot of propaganda, alot of brainwashing, alot of sht coming from their media and their politicians. They saw this coming... you think their secret services play poker every night?

Americans know they were lied to after 9/11..... now you know India's game before they play it. Rice is goin there to make sure they know the rules of the game thats all. More alienation for the Indian Muslim population... more abuse, more oppression and more of the same reactions. I am not excusing the attackers.... how will this attack be of any benefit to the Muslims in India and in Kashmir.

Anyways, you can put ur hands on your eyes and shout "its terrorism, they hate India and its way of life" dadadadada.... or you can dig deeper and reach out to whats difficult to reach these days.... THE TRUTH.

I am not here to patronise or insult. Dont discuss me, discuss my opinions.

WS.

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WS .. while you are googling for kashmir .. please look up the news results for the latest elections held there in Indian part of Kashmir .. you might be suprised ... also while you are at it ... you might want to lookup the state of Muslims who left India and went to Paksitan in 1947 ... to give you a hint .. they are called as Mohajirs and treated as second class citizens within their own adopted country ...

Are you aware that in the state of Jammu and Kashmir Muslims may have the largest portion of the population but the state also has a huge hindu and buddhist population and that almost 300,000 hindus have been driven off their homes from the kashmir valley by your so called freedom-fighters ... and lastly before trying to take up the cause of Indian mulsims please have a look at what the Muslim leadership in India has to say about the terrorists ...

Terror has no religion, do not go soft: Muslim cleric

Muslim body refuses to bury 9 killers


And here is a piece done by the gaurdian about the place where these terrorists came from .. Mumbai: Behind the attacks lies a story of youth twisted by hate

As far the secularism in India goes ... please look-up the following:
Abdul Kalam
Zakir Hussain
Abul Kalam Azad
Azim Premji
and there are many more ...

The Muslims population in India is not suppressed or oppressed by the state .. In fact India is perhaps the only country which gives a subsidy to Muslims who are travelling for Haj ...

Like any other big country .. we do have our share of problems but as far as secularism goes .. India is a hindu majority (~80% population is hindu) country .. but the current Prime Minister is a Sikh (~1.9% of the population) .. the current coalition govt is headed by a Christian (~2.3% of the population is Christian) .. our last President who also happens to be the ex-chief of of India's missile program and played a key role in India's nuclear program is a Mulsim (and he was nominated for that post by the right-wing BJP which is often potrayed as anti-muslim) as is our current vice-president (~14% of the population) ... The oldest and most respected business house in India and the owner of the Taj Mahal hotel is run by a Zoroastrian ... The most beloved soldier in India, Sam Manekshaw,(who was the Army Chief at the time of the 1971 war with Pakistan) was a Zoroastrian ... The guy who oversaw the operation in Bangladesh in 1971 was a Jew J F R Jacob... and the guy who took the surrender of the Pakistani forces in Bangladesh during the same war was a Sikh Jagjit Singh Aurora ... and the list can go on and on ...

Tell me .. would you like to comment on the state of minorities in Pakistan ?? maybe they too are justified in taking up a gun and killing hundreds of Paksitanis .. but then again maybe they are already doing that (while you are googling, please look up root cause of Shia-Sunni violence in pakistan) ...

So please get off your high horse and come and talk to me when you have an Islamic country affording equal rights to its religious minorities and not treating them like second class citizens .. till then my advise is STFU ...

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Better do some research. Territorial waters are still 12 miles. Nations can claim a 200 mile "economic" zone, but: "A coastal nation has control of all economic resources within its exclusive economic zone, including fishing, mining, oil exploration, and any pollution of those resources. However, it cannot regulate or prohibit passage or loitering above, on, or under the surface of the sea, whether innocent or belligerent, within that portion of its exclusive economic zone beyond its territorial sea."

Beyond the 12 mile limit, no one is going to know whether a freighter is registered or not - and it isn't that hard to find a country that will register it for the right price with no questions asked anyway. It could even have a legitimate cargo and destination.

Satellites and radar are useful if you are looking for something unusual, but freighters are common. We don't scramble jets or send ships to intercept every freighter cruising down the coast in international waters.
If the freighter drops off small, fast boats at night they are going to be ashore before we react even if we notice it - especially if they avoid major ports with their enhanced security.

The Germans DID invade the US from subs in WW2, at Amagansett, New York, and Ponte Verdra Beach, Florida. The New York landers were caught by an alert Coast Guard man patrolling the beach. World War II: German Saboteurs Invade America in 1942 » HistoryNet. Their object was sabotage, but they were also to carry out some terrorist style attacks against civilians. Their easy capture forestalled further planned landings.

In WW2 we were at full alert - our Coast Guard was active and funded and looking for invaders. This is not true today - if they are looking for anything it is drug smugglers.

Smuggling probably IS the biggest industry in the US, second only to exporting debt. Both drugs and people are smuggled across the borders, and by sea and air continually.

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Anybody who thinks any country is completely safe from harm from those who wish to harm innocents is fooling themselves. Wherever there is a will there is a way. Even if that will is to maim, injure, and kill other human beings. All that can be assured is our response to such attacks, and how we handle them. Enough said.

First, have you any knowledge of the current state of US Smart Weapon technology? Our doctrines and weapons have reduced collateral damage to historically unprecedented levels. If you lived in a small central-asian town, would you rather be attacked by Russia, China, or the US?

Furthermore, do you believe it is possible for one civilized person to rationally choose to kill another? Do you really think the decision to drop the atomic bombs was made on impulse? Our military decisions are made by the calculating minds in the Pentagon, not some angsty 20-year-old with a bombbelt. Perhaps the "terrorists" ought to understand how the Indians will react to the sight of the mutilated victims' bodies! Did they seriously believe there would be no violent reaction to their attack?

Sitting here, calmly, at peace, I can say in a steady, dispassionate voice that those behind the attacks on Mumbai should die. All the understanding in the world will not stop their bloodlust, and so they must die. Their tactics are inexcusable, worthy of death.

Once they are dead the reconciliation may begin, but no sooner. I am afraid the masterminds will not submit without a war...

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- Milton Friedman

"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it."
- George Orwell

This is uncalled for. I read every word you wrote and was ready to respond then you went and spoilt the ending with your emotional mumbo jumbo. I am not interested in what you have to say. The insults are unecessary. You dont know me and I dont know you.

I understand you are a little upset since you are an Indian but you must remain calm, focused and rational. We are all adults here I hope so lets not turn this into a school playground with such insults.

It is laughable to claim that India offers equal rights to its citizens. What!! You havnt heard of social classes and castes there? Even religious classes within the population!.

Anyways thats another topic. My points were in relation to Kashmir and India's dirty involvement there. It has blood on its hands, this is a well known fact.

WS.

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Ermm I think they are already dead EagleSeven, apart frm one who is caught. But you and I know that death is not the solution since they came with the intention to die

The solution is elsewhere as I suggested. You lack understanding of how these attackers function... they are not afraid of death. Hello!!!

Dont give me that crap about the Pentagon. As soon as 9/11 happened, those bloodthirsty aliens in the Pentagon couldnt wait to start a war... then another war......two wars under the Bush Admin.

You are asking me to choose how to die? Or to choose who the killer is?

All that sophisticated weaponry you brag about and then there is such a high number of civilian deaths. Something does not add up no?

WS.

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"You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom"- Malcom X

Do you think I should put the constitution above my own life? Fuck that.

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