Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

You have to ask yourself... why not? Why wouldnt they target Americans? On one side, they are all civilians ... americans or not... and should not be targetted ... this is the moral side.... but when you talk about reality ... i expect these kinda attackers to target people from the countries who have been conducting wars in Muslim countries and killing Muslim civilians.... this is from their (the attackers) point of view. They're not goin to think whether these ppl are civilians or not are they? Duhhh!!... They came with the intention to seek revenge and punish. Also they came to die. You cant deal with someone who is already dead.

So to expect them not to target Americans is abit naive dont you think? You have to think like they are thinking.

America never shouts "terrorism" when the people dying are Muslims... kashmir, chechnia, palestine, etc... it never moves to try to stop massacres against Muslims. So expect extremism to rise in such areas when ppl feel forgotten, where ppl feel desperate and hopeless.

Deal with the injustice first, then you will see a drop in extremism.

You gota move from this narrow mindedness of "kill them all, bomb them wherever you find them". The solution is as I said elsewhere.

WS.

Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

You have to ask yourself... why not? Why wouldnt they target Americans?

Originally Posted by DammitBoy!

No, I have to ask you, if as you claim, the reason for the attacks were not terroristic in nature, but in reaction to the problems in kashmir, why would these murderers target whites, especially americans and british civilians who have nothing to do with kashmir.

Either you are wrong and these are terrorists who targeted westerners or you are wrong and the reason for the attacks had nothing to do with kashmir.

Originally Posted by Meritocrat

I find it amusing that you're complaining about the murder of White people, while defending the very ethnic group that is engaged in a genocidal campaign against Whites.

Originally Posted by Arjun

You are supporting terror by saying that Islam has the right to attack kufr land because of Kashmir. Who said that Kashmir belonged to the Muslims. That land belonged to us. Indians. Not only that the land till Kandhahar is ours. Persia belong to the Parsis. For all those done to these people, I think they must strike back and get back their land. What about attacks in Varanasi. So this will legitimize and attack on Mecca and Medina.

Originally Posted by Meritocrat

You were addressing Wisdom_seeker.

Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

Blimey, look at all these drama queens gettin their knickers in a twist about "Islamic Jihadists" doing it again!!!

None of you suggested any reasonable solutions... apart from childish irrational thinking... like "lets attack everybody and forget about collateral damage".... these kinda emotional led reactions lead to stupidity and ignorance.

First, study "terrorism" ... what pushes these people to behave the way they do. Why would somebody decide to take his life along with others.... what causes this desperation. There are factors that push ppl to extremism and radical behaviour. Studyin the causes does not mean justifying "terrorism"..... it is a step towards finding solutions.

The only solutions unfortunately found by the bird brains in washington is to bomb everything apart. This actually causes more extremism and gives rise to new generations of ppl who want revenge for their dead parents, sisters, brothers... (innocent ppl).

Now then,... India is not at all innocent in this game. The only difference is that you dont read up about what India gets involved in when it goes into Kashmir. You are comfortably watching MTV while indian troops massacre villages there. Just google India and Massacres in kashmir.

India expected an attack... its just the ignorant westerners are sold the story of "terrorism" to swallow again like they swallowed Bush's. When you terrify people, you can easily manipulate them.

India has bloody hands too, so dont all go running around shouting "terrorists did it again" when you totally ignore or have no idea and didnt bother researching indias involvement in massacres of innocent ppl across the border.

I am not excusing what happened. What happened is terrible and its very likely that Muslims died too in these attacks.... but I will not sit around watchin ignorantos blaming "Muslims" or tryin to justify some sort of a retaliation due to this attack.

To me, they are no different from the attackers. So sort out your extremism first, then try to think of solutions how to sort out extremism elsewhere. Its the same shit, just in different locations.

WS.

Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

This is uncalled for. I read every word you wrote and was ready to respond then you went and spoilt the ending with your emotional mumbo jumbo. I am not interested in what you have to say. The insults are unecessary. You dont know me and I dont know you.

I understand you are a little upset since you are an Indian but you must remain calm, focused and rational. We are all adults here I hope so lets not turn this into a school playground with such insults.

It is laughable to claim that India offers equal rights to its citizens. What!! You havnt heard of social classes and castes there? Even religious classes within the population!.

Anyways thats another topic. My points were in relation to Kashmir and India's dirty involvement there. It has blood on its hands, this is a well known fact.

WS.

Originally Posted by animeshpandeya

WS .. while you are googling for kashmir .. please look up the news results for the latest elections held there in Indian part of Kashmir .. you might be suprised ... also while you are at it ... you might want to lookup the state of Muslims who left India and went to Paksitan in 1947 ... to give you a hint .. they are called as Mohajirs and treated as second class citizens within their own adopted country ...

Are you aware that in the state of Jammu and Kashmir Muslims may have the largest portion of the population but the state also has a huge hindu and buddhist population and that almost 300,000 hindus have been driven off their homes from the kashmir valley by your so called freedom-fighters ... and lastly before trying to take up the cause of Indian mulsims please have a look at what the Muslim leadership in India has to say about the terrorists ...

Terror has no religion, do not go soft: Muslim cleric

Muslim body refuses to bury 9 killers


And here is a piece done by the gaurdian about the place where these terrorists came from .. Mumbai: Behind the attacks lies a story of youth twisted by hate

As far the secularism in India goes ... please look-up the following:
Abdul Kalam
Zakir Hussain
Abul Kalam Azad
Azim Premji
and there are many more ...

The Muslims population in India is not suppressed or oppressed by the state .. In fact India is perhaps the only country which gives a subsidy to Muslims who are travelling for Haj ...

Like any other big country .. we do have our share of problems but as far as secularism goes .. India is a hindu majority (~80% population is hindu) country .. but the current Prime Minister is a Sikh (~1.9% of the population) .. the current coalition govt is headed by a Christian (~2.3% of the population is Christian) .. our last President who also happens to be the ex-chief of of India's missile program and played a key role in India's nuclear program is a Mulsim (and he was nominated for that post by the right-wing BJP which is often potrayed as anti-muslim) as is our current vice-president (~14% of the population) ... The oldest and most respected business house in India and the owner of the Taj Mahal hotel is run by a Zoroastrian ... The most beloved soldier in India, Sam Manekshaw,(who was the Army Chief at the time of the 1971 war with Pakistan) was a Zoroastrian ... The guy who oversaw the operation in Bangladesh in 1971 was a Jew J F R Jacob... and the guy who took the surrender of the Pakistani forces in Bangladesh during the same war was a Sikh Jagjit Singh Aurora ... and the list can go on and on ...

Tell me .. would you like to comment on the state of minorities in Pakistan ?? maybe they too are justified in taking up a gun and killing hundreds of Paksitanis .. but then again maybe they are already doing that (while you are googling, please look up root cause of Shia-Sunni violence in pakistan) ...

So please get off your high horse and come and talk to me when you have an Islamic country affording equal rights to its religious minorities and not treating them like second class citizens .. till then my advise is STFU ...

Originally Posted by animeshpandeya

CCTV footage of the capture of the surviving terrorist... YouTube - CCTV Capture of 2 Mumbai Terrorists including Azam Amir Kasab

Originally Posted by DammitBoy!

No, I have to ask you, if as you claim, the reason for the attacks were not terroristic in nature, but in reaction to the problems in kashmir, why would these murderers target whites, especially americans and british civilians who have nothing to do with kashmir.

Either you are wrong and these are terrorists who targeted westerners or you are wrong and the reason for the attacks had nothing to do with kashmir.

Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

You have to ask yourself... why not? Why wouldnt they target Americans? On one side, they are all civilians ... americans or not... and should not be targetted ... this is the moral side.... but when you talk about reality ... i expect these kinda attackers to target people from the countries who have been conducting wars in Muslim countries and killing Muslim civilians.... this is from their (the attackers) point of view. They're not goin to think whether these ppl are civilians or not are they? Duhhh!!... They came with the intention to seek revenge and punish. Also they came to die. You cant deal with someone who is already dead.

So to expect them not to target Americans is abit naive dont you think? You have to think like they are thinking.

America never shouts "terrorism" when the people dying are Muslims... kashmir, chechnia, palestine, etc... it never moves to try to stop massacres against Muslims. So expect extremism to rise in such areas when ppl feel forgotten, where ppl feel desperate and hopeless.

Deal with the injustice first, then you will see a drop in extremism.

You gota move from this narrow mindedness of "kill them all, bomb them wherever you find them". The solution is as I said elsewhere.

WS.