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Old 12-03-2008
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Re: Mumbai style attack could easily occur here

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Stop being silly and put this hyperbole behaviour aside. I dont care if you doubt my sincerity or not. I have condemned similar attacks in the past and will continue to do so in the future. On the other side,... people like Steve and his kind have tried to justify US attacks on civilians as "collateral damage".

Hafke,

You cannot use that comparison because Muslim armies are not invading Christian countries and killing thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians. So your comparison has no weight.
They would if they had the US arms arsenal.



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Its easy to accuse someone of being "an enabler" just because you disagree with his views. Steve found some balls to say I support terrorists yet he is a self confessed bigot and openly equates Muslims with Terrorists WTF?? How backward and uncivilised!
You bother about Steve ?

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This is the problem with many Americans. They dont ask WHY? They dont try to dig deeper.... its always the media that tells them what they should know.....thats how brainwashing works... and thats how millions and millions voted for someone like Bush You need to work your brain and become more sophisticated.

Anyways,..... I gave my two cents regarding this topic. There is terrorism practiced from both sides..... yet only one side is condemned to hell and the other is classed as an "ally". Hypocracy runs in the blood and so many times its been pointed out and spotted in this forum.

WS.
You DO realise that the ally is Pakistan donīt you.
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Old 12-03-2008
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Re: Mumbai style attack could easily occur here

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You are openly justifying the killings. Also from your justification it becomes clear that the Jews can now kill Muslims and take revenge for killing their brothers and sisters. On one hand you pay lip service by denying and try to be away from the terrorists but on the other hand you justify the killings by taking out Palestine, Kashmir etc which has been created by Islam itself because it cannot tolerate the others. The creation of Pakistan itself was based on this flawed idea of hatred towards others. It's not our problem but the problem of Islam itself and you cannot blame others for that. Correct yourself from supporting such a violent ideology. Mere words will not do.
What a ridiculous argument. Why dont you blame Islam for all your life problems Jeez!! People dont want to work their mind's anymore... its always the easy answer.... "Islam is the problem"

WS.
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Old 12-03-2008
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Re: Mumbai style attack could easily occur here

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My comparison is perfectly valid. Christians face vile discrimination in Muslim countries. The Islamists are attacking Western targets. If you held Westerners to the same standards, you'd be more "understanding" of the reasons why cultural and/or religious Christians/Jews commit attacks. But no, there is an expectation that these people should be rational, and that it's okay for non Westerners to be less rational because, hey, what can you expect?



I was wondering when you'd bring up this idiocy. "Anyone who disagrees with me is brainwashed and unsophisticated! I know this because they voted in a way with which I disagree and they won't accept my word as gospel!"

That's just insulting and it's not even a real argument. Do you really think that will change someone's mind? Nice baiting there.

We are talking about "terrorism" here not discrimination. Thats something else. If you want to go down that path... we can share info who who is discriminated against and where.

You said "The Islamists are targetting western targets" well am sorry but they dont represent Islam or Muslims around the world. To say that 11 attackers or so represent 1.5 billion Muslims is ridiculous.

If you work your mind in an intelligent manner you will realise that it is these countries (using their armies) waging war on Muslims.... starting with America, Israel and India. Which Muslim country has attacked a western country? Please provide evidence so we can take this argument further.

Who is dying is larger numbers? Who has killed over a million Muslim in the last 8 years or so? Who has killed over a 1000 Muslims in Lebanon? Who has killed 100s of Muslims in Kashmir?

I will say it again, when sht like this happens.... expect that a few go out of their mind and wanna blow stuff up. Not that I agree with this type of reaction.... I would definately agree if it is an organised resistance movement such as the one in Iraq targetting SOLDIERS NOT CIVILIANS. I never supported and will never support the killing of civilians.

WS.
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You DO realise that the ally is Pakistan donīt you.
Between India and Pakistan... I think we are both intelligent enough to guess who the US will stand "shoulder to shoulder" with

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Old 12-03-2008
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Who has killed over a million Muslim in the last 8 years or so? Who has killed over a 1000 Muslims in Lebanon? Who has killed 100s of Muslims in Kashmir?
Who? I want to shake his hand!
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Old 12-03-2008
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Re: Mumbai style attack could easily occur here

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What a ridiculous argument. Why dont you blame Islam for all your life problems Jeez!! People dont want to work their mind's anymore... its always the easy answer.... "Islam is the problem"

WS.

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Old 12-04-2008
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Who? I want to shake his hand!
So dont go shouting "terrorism" when shit blows back in your face. Thats my whole point. You support the killing of civilians as long as its not your own and as long as they are "arab and Muslim". Thats a fked up mentality dude.

You are no different from terrorists. Back home, we have a law for people like you... its called The Glorification of Terrorism Law.

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So dont go shouting "terrorism" when shit blows back in your face. Thats my whole point. You support the killing of civilians as long as its not your own and as long as they are "arab and Muslim". Thats a fked up mentality dude.

You are no different from terrorists. Back home, we have a law for people like you... its called The Glorification of Terrorism Law.

WS.
the Geneva Conventions was made to protect the soldiers and civilians of the powers that signed it. It only works if all parties respect it. USA respects it, Islam does not. Should we respect international Law when fighting an enemy that does not recognize it?

Do Any middle eastern power recognize any semblance of Human rights??

How can they cry foul when they do worse to their own people??
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Re: Mumbai style attack could easily occur here

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You support the killing of civilians as long as its not your own and as long as they are "arab and Muslim".
I support the killing of arab/muslim/terrorists. As soon as they pick up a weapon, they are no longer civilians.
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Old 12-06-2008
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Re: Mumbai style attack could easily occur here

Actually, this kind of attack would be very easy in USA. You don't even need any "Islamists" - they were not used here. The Mumbai plot was a long-waited plot since USA wanted to proceed with its "PNAC" implementation (1999 strategy of US Hawks to extend its power in M East and Asia). Mumbai attack is called Indian 911 ... and the planners also are the same ... CIA. If you don't understand why CIA did this, I would like to provide a link to an article written by a Professor specialized to US international policy:

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Washington is intent on using the Mumbai attacks to:

1) Foster divisions between Pakistan and India and shunt the process of bilateral cooperation and trade between the two countries;

2) Promote internal social, ethnic and sectarian divisions in both India and Pakistan;

3) Justify US military actions inside Pakistan including the killing of civilians in violation of the country's territorial sovereignty;

4) Provide a justification for extending the US led "war on terrorism" into the Indian sub-continent and South East Asia.

In 2006, the Pentagon had warned that "another [major 9/11 type terrorist] attack could create both a justification and an opportunity that is lacking today to retaliate against some known targets" (Statement by Pentagon official, leaked to the Washington Post, 23 April 2006). In the current context, the Mumbai attacks are considered "a justification" to go after "known targets" in the tribal areas of North Western Pakistan.

Vice President Elect Joe Biden during the election campaign had warned America with foresight that "the people who... attacked us on 9/11, -- they've regrouped in the mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan and are plotting new attacks".

These are the same people who were behind the terror attacks in Mumbai.

These are also the same people who are planning to attack America.

It just so happens that one day before the Mumbai attacks, "the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) had warned that there is a 'possible but uncorroborated' Al -Qaeda threat against the New York transportation system."

India's 9/11. Who was Behind the Mumbai Attacks?

About the author:
Michel Chossudovsky is Professor of Economics at the University of Ottawa and Director of the Center for Research on Globalization which hosts the critically acclaimed website: GlobalResearch.ca - Centre for Research on Globalization . He is also a contributor to the Encyclopaedia Britannica.
Michel Chossudovsky is the 2003 Recipient of the Human Rights Prize of the Society for the Protection of Civil Rights and Human Dignity, Berlin, Germany.
He is seven times recipient of the Project Censored Award , Sonoma University School of Journalism, California. 2000 (double award), 2001(double award), 2002, 2004, 2005). His website, Global Research (Canada) was granted the Democracy Media Award in 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005 by GoodWriters.net
Chossudovsky's Globalization of Poverty, was classified No. 2 in the Top Ten "best" non-fiction titles in Germany, July 2002, by a panel of writers, journalists and scholars.
What does this mean. At least the fact that nothing will be changed in January. There is some organization in the White House which is controlling decision making whoever will be elected for president - what could that be - can you answer this?

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Old 12-06-2008
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Re: Mumbai style attack could easily occur here

Oh, fuck me. Mumbai was a CIA plot now?

What a retarded claim.

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Re: Mumbai style attack could easily occur here

CIA agents don't go on suicide missions to kill random people.
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Old 12-06-2008
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Oh, fuck me. Mumbai was a CIA plot now?

What a retarded claim.

Matt
Oh, of course? Didn't you hear that the CIA burned the Reichstag, too? More recently, I read the the CIA ran over a bunch of protesters in Tiananmen Square...
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Between India and Pakistan... I think we are both intelligent enough to guess who the US will stand "shoulder to shoulder" with

WS.
I think you and MetalTed were made for eachother...
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Old 12-07-2008
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I think you and MetalTed were made for eachother...
Why would you say that? I am not calling for the extermination of a certain group of ppl due to the religion they follow.

Just because you disagree with my views, you compare me to Metalted? Go on tell me why you think we are made for each other.

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