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Re: 2000-member American rabbi group backs Obama on complete settlement freeze
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The illegal settlements and confiscation of Arab land started in 1947. The rockets did not start until the 1987 Intefada. Israel had plenty of time to comply with international law, and avoid the rocket and suidice attacks. Israel can not claim innocence at this point. The guilt is clearly on Israel. Look at a map of the 1948 UN partition. Jerusalem is not even close to the Israeli side of the divison. |
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Jordan gave it up because it was never part of Jordan. But the West Bank where the settlements are, has been part of Palestine since long before the UN partition in 1948 even. But 1948 clearly established the fact the West Bank was not at all legally open to Israeli settlements. |
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Re: 2000-member American rabbi group backs Obama on complete settlement freeze
Israel invaded with financial backing from US.
Palestine is defending with the backing of Syria and Iran. Israel is killing 7 people to one loss. This ratio continues to women and children. Israel is in violation of International Law. In 2003 Iran has offered to :
They asked in return
With Irans help the US could secure the region. So the way I see it is the US is creating its own problems with its refusal to deal with Israel.. |
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Of course there is this cautionary tale: Obama's resolve on Mideast facing a history of blunt reality - Los Angeles Times |
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What you posted makes no sense. What is embarrassing to the US is that in effect Israel is making the US an accomplice when it commits crimes like this. And you can't "give peace a chance" when Israel is illegally occupying most of the land and homes owned by the Arabs. They have no choice but to fight back any way they can, because Israel has refused all legal appeal for half a century now. It is Israel that is totally in the wrong, and the rockets are justified. |
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And how can any reasonable person actually advocate the attacks on women and children? Attacking the people of Israel is actually justified? And I guess you believe the US deserved 9/11, and that the people of Iran deserve to be slaughtered because they are speaking up against their leaders. |
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And why does Israel have any right to exist? The land Israel is built on was occupied by millions of Arabs, who were killed or driven off. How is that not a crime? You are justified in attacking women and children when they impose a threat to the continuation of your entire culture, they are illegally and knowingly occupying what is yours, and no other alternative is available. Yes the US probably deserved the 9/11 attack, because of crimes we committed; but the attack on civilians was not necessary, so was not justified. But Iran has done nothing wrong, so no attack on Iran would be justified. Attacking those speaking out is never justified. |
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Re: 2000-member American rabbi group backs Obama on complete settlement freeze
, "settlements". These are fucking colonies. Israelis aren't settling in Palestine, they are colonizing their new Lebensraum.
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Re: 2000-member American rabbi group backs Obama on complete settlement freeze
In 1948, Jews were less then a third of the population, but were given statehood over half the land.
But the actual real estate was 95% owned by Arabs. So why it is that now Israel is occupying over two thirds of the land, and so many homes have been illegally confiscated, that Jews now own over 50% of the real estate? It is not hard to see what the projection is. The Jews instead to take all of Palestine, and evict all the Arabs eventually. They are already all walled off into concentration camps. |
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Re: 2000-member American rabbi group backs Obama on complete settlement freeze
Its nice to read about this. Too often are moderates calling for a two state solution or critisizing the massacre in Gaza equated with anti-semites.
The issue of palestine has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with the 4.5 million palestininan refugees, half of which are too poor to feed themselves and rely on UN food aid. Israel will only perpetuate terrorism through its monetary support to hamas ( Hamas is a Creation of Mossad), and throught the massacres and humiliation imposed upon palestinian civilians. In my opinion Israel is more of a regional threat than the palestinians have ever been. Its clear that the Israeli govt has no regard for international law, as is demonstrated with its use of white phosphorous in gaza or the collective punishment it perpetuates which is specificly banned by the UN charter. And shame of the US government for paying for the entire quagmire. Then again, we've never had any qualms about supporting terrorism. Just ask Iranians in 1953, or Chileans in 1973, the the hundred thousand killed in East Timor. |
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