Originally Posted by skeptic1

Re Mushroom's "And if the military responds with force, do you condemn them? The people killed in El Paso, are they guilty of some crime deserving of death just because they live in El Paso?"

Suppose Lord Balfour existed in the 21st century drew some lines and gave Texas to Israel displacing and demeaning those who had lived there for a 100+ years. Do you think armed resistance by those displaced would be in order ?

Originally Posted by Peace Now

So once again you say that 9/11 was deserved, but the killing of civilians was not 'necessary'.

Was the attack on the Pentagon okay in your opinion?

Originally Posted by Mushroom

Yes, and there was the other link.

Meanwhile, Iran's Islamist allies, Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon,have boosted their arsenals with logistical help from Syria and taken on Israel's army.

Goaded to limit settlement growth and negotiate with the Palestinians, Sharon rebuffed the George W. Bush administration but withdrew soldiers and settlers unilaterally from Gaza.

Since the pull-out from the Gaza Strip, tens of thousands of rockets have been fired from there into Israel. Do you think things would be any different if they pulled out of the West Bank?

Take one in context with the other. 1 against thousands.

Originally Posted by Mushroom

Israel holds the West Bank. They ensure the peace, and there are no rocket attacks into Israel.

Israel turned over the Gaza Strip. Since then, it has been a base for countless attacks into Israel.

This is a clear justification for continued occupancy.

Put it in another context, what would your response be if thugs in Mexico started to fire rockets from Juarez into El Paso? Sure, El Paso was once part of Mexico at one time. Do you turn over El Paso? Do you launch punitive attacks into Juarez? Do you sit back and say "Those damed Americans deserve whatever they get"?

And if the military responds with force, do you condemn them? The people killed in El Paso, are they guilty of some crime deserving of death just because they live in El Paso?

And it could just as easily be Tiajuana and San Diego, or Dickey Maine and Canada.

One of the promises made when the West Bank was turned over was that the violence would stop. And in all the years since then, I have not heard of one incident where Israel attacked unprovoked.

I don't have much sympathy for the Palestinians. Probably because they continue to use fear and death as a tactic to try and get what they want. And they do not negotiate in good faith. They might get more sympathy if they follow much more successful "resistance leaders", like Dr. King and Ghandi.

But like children, they simply lash out at something that angers them. And wonder why so many people consider them thugs and barbarians.

Originally Posted by Maat222

That is silly.
The only reason there are not more rocket attacks from the West Bank is because the PLA has sold out and is working for Israel.
But that has nothing to do with the fact Israel deserves rocket attacks for illegally taking homes and abusing rights.

Originally Posted by skeptic1

Re Mushroom's "And if the military responds with force, do you condemn them? The people killed in El Paso, are they guilty of some crime deserving of death just because they live in El Paso?"

Suppose Lord Balfour existed in the 21st century drew some lines and gave Texas to Israel displacing and demeaning those who had lived there for a 100+ years. Do you think armed resistance by those displaced would be in order ?

Originally Posted by MattLarson

Another post claiming killing civilians is "deserved".

Disgusting.

Matt

Originally Posted by Maat222

When you take and live on land you know was stolen, you get what you deserve.
Civilians can be criminals and deserving violence even more than military personnel.
Civilian thieves, rapists, murders, etc., are often shot, while POWs are not.

Originally Posted by MattLarson

It is an atrocity when either side kills civilians, which they both do.

Claiming that civilians "deserve" to be killed is just fucking disgusting.

Matt

Originally Posted by MattLarson

Irrelevant red herring. Sorry, not going to play, so you'll need to continue playing with yourself.

Matt

Originally Posted by MattLarson

This thread is not about Hiroshima. Are you somehow confused and think the Rabbis are talking about settlements in Japan?

If you want to talk about Hiroshima, start or find a thread on it.

Stay on toic in this thread, either way.

Matt