My commentary: In my opinion, this is one of the thorniest issues regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Israel can have the settlements or it can have a democracy; it cannot have both.

2000-member American rabbi group backs Obama on complete settlement freeze, and you can too!

Today, the Central Conference of American Rabbis, which represents nearly 2,000 Reform rabbis, including a significant percentage of Brit Tzedek supporters, issued a statement in support of President Obama's call for a complete freeze on settlements; this includes natural growth, as "in the best interest of the United States, of the State of Israel, and of peace." Read statement.

The largest U.S. rabbinical association is backing President Obama's Middle East leadership. Will you? Please sign "We've Got Your Back, Mr. President" today.

To help you better understand natural growth-related issues, we developed the FAQ appended below. You can download it here.

See FAQ: Natural Growth

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None of which will amount to anything - we've expressed our disapproval of settlements before, and Israel ignored it.

Matt

ditto....

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

I find it funny that many of the same people who are saying we need to butt out of Iran's affairs....

Are the same ones that insist we butt into Israel's affairs.

But why should I expect consistancy from them?

we give them money.

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

Required reading (regardless of position).

Thanks for the posting.

Iran is not at war with its neighbors. Israel is at war (so to speak) with all its neighbors !

Where is the inconsistancy ?

Article: KryssTal : USA Invasions



"Much of the world feels like there is one law for the USA and its friends, another law for everyone else.


Year Country Action Reason Given Actual Reason
1947 France Election Finance;
Economic Coersion Communism Wanted pro-USA government and French recolonisation of Vietnam.
1947 Italy Election Finance;
Economic Coersion Communism Wanted pro-USA and pro-business government.
1947 Greece Military Backing Communism Wanted pro-USA government and military bases.
1947 Philippines Election Finance None Military bases.
1948 Peru Military Backing None Control of government.
1948 Vietnam Military Backing Communism Support for French recolonisation. Fear of independent Vietnam.
1948 Nicaragua Military Backing None Pro-USA government and access to plantations.
1949 China Arms Sales;
Bombing Communism Access to a pro-USA and pro-business government.
1950 Colombia Food Aid Humanitarian Destruction of an agricultural rival.
1950 Korea Killing Civilians None Unknown.
1950 Puerto Rico Military Action None To crush independence movement.
1953 Philippines Election Finance None Wanted pro-USA government and military bases.
1954 Vietnam Military Backing Communism Fear of united and powerful independent country.
1955 Europe Election Finance None Wanted united pro-USA, pro-NATO and anti-socialist Europe.
1956 Egypt Sanctions Communism Country took ownership of its Suez Canal and opposed USA Middle East policy.
1957 Jordan Military Training None Wanted strong pro-USA government.
1958 Lebanon Military Action None Removal of anti-West dissidents.
1958 Indonesia Election Finance None Government is against USA business interests.
1958 Japan Election Finance None To keep pro-USA governments in power.
1959 Haiti Military Action None To crush rebellion against pro-USA government.
1959 Nepal Covert Action None To help pro-USA government win power.
1960 Congo Assassination None Wanted to remove popular and nationalist leader; access to minerals.
1960 Cuba Trade Embargo Communism Country using its resources for its own people.
1960 Iraq Destabilisation None Leader founds and supports OPEC.
1961 Cuba Secret Invasion None Country using its resources for its own people.
1961 Dominican Republic Assassination None Unknown.
1962 Vietnam Military Action Communism Country wanted unity and independence.
1962 Cuba Economic Sabotage None Country using its resources for its own people.
1962 Brazil Election Finance None Wanted pro-business government.
1962 Dominican Republic Political Coersion None Unknown.
1963 Iraq Assassination;
Intelligence Communism Previous government against USA oil interests; removal of dissidents.
1963 El Salvador Advisors Communism Removal of anti-USA dissidents.
1964 North Vietnam Bombing None Removal of independent government.
1964 South Vietnam Torture Training Communism Suppression of independence movements.
1964 Panama Military Action Law and Order Suppression of movement demanding return of canal.
1965 Vietnam Military Action Communism To keep the country from uniting.
1965 Dominican Republic Intervention Communism To keep elected leader from returning to power.
1965 Indonesia Intelligence Communism Removal of dissidents. Helping a pro-business regime.
1965 Laos Destabilisation;
Bombing Communism Denial of support for Vietnam.
1965 Thailand Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government; military bases.
1965 Peru Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government.
1966 Vietnam Village Clearing;
Bombing Communism Political control of the country.
1966 Laos Bombing None Denial of support for Vietnam.
1966 Central Africa Finance None Access to uranium.
1966 Bolivia Election Finance None Access to minerals and oil.
1967 Vietnam Military Action Communism Political control of the country.
1967 Cuba Assassination None Removal of popular leader.
1968 Vietnam Village Clearing;
Bombing Communism Political control of country.
1969 Cambodia Secret Bombing None Denial of support for Vietnam.
1969 Vietnam Military Action Communism Political control of country.
1970 North Vietnam Bombing None Control of country.
1970 Uruguay Torture Training None To keep opposition from taking power.
1970 Oman Military Assistance None Unknown.
1971 Laos Invasion None Control of country.
1971 Vietnam Military Action None Control of country.
1972 North Vietnam Blockade;
Bombing None Control of country.
1972 Nicaragua Troops Business interests Support for business and pro-USA government.
1972 Australia Election Finance None Did not like Labour Party foreign policy.
1972 Iraq Aid to Kurds Humanitarian To destabilise Iraq as it had a quarrel with USA ally, Iran.
1973 Cambodia Bombing None Control of country.
1974 Vietnam Trade Embargo Communism The Vietnamese were winning against the USA.
1974 Zaire Military Aid None Control of resources.
1974 Portugal Election Finance None Did not want socialist government to take power.
1975 Vietnam Economic Attack Communism To stop country developing as a model for the region.
1975 East Timor Support of Invasion None Did not want a new independent state; oil.
1975 Iraq Change of Support None Kurdish rebels no longer of use.
1975 Morocco Support of Invasion None Morocco grants use of military bases in return.
1976 Indonesia Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government.
1976 Philippines Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government.
1977 Pakistan Military Aid None Support for unelected pro-USA government.
1977 Egypt Economic Coersion None To remove Egypt from the anti-Israel camp.
1977 Zaire Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government.
1977 Indonesia Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government.
1978 Guatemala Military Aid;
Economic Aid None Support for unelected pro-USA government.
1979 Iran Habouring Dictator None New government wants control of its resources, especially oil.
1979 Central Africa Economic Aid None Support for pro-business government.
1979 Afghanistan Military Aid Repel USSR To repel USSR and break their economy.
1979 Cambodia Aid to Khmer Rouge None To please new ally China; to antagonise Vietnam.
1979 Vietnam Economic Blockade Communism To stop country developing as a model for the region.
1979 Yemen Military Aid None To please ally, Saudi Arabia.
1980 El Salvador Military Aid Communism Stop opposition to pro-USA government.
1980 Honduras Troops Communism Protect resources and create anti-Nicaragua bases.
1980 Iraq Military Aid Islamic Iran Wanted to destabilise new anti-USA government of Iran.
1980 Cambodia Military Aid None To destabilise Vietnamese backed government and to please new ally, China.
1980 Italy Terrorism None To discredit socialist election candidates and to heighten fear of the USSR.
1980 South Korea Military Aid;
Political Support None Suppress opposition to pro-USA government.
1981 Tanzania Economic Coersion Communism Wanted the country to change its economy to suit USA companies.
1981 El Salvador Military Aid Communism Stop opposition to pro-USA government.
1981 Libya Provocation Terrorism To destabilise an anti-West government.
1981 Indo-China Economic Coersion Communism To stop the independent development of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.
1982 Lebanon Troops Humanitarian To help Israel remove Palestinians.
1982 Guatemala Military Aid None To suppress opposition to pro-USA government.
1982 South Africa Financial Aid Terrorism To help South Africa destabilise the region.
1982 Afghanistan Military Aid Communism To replace USSR backed government by the USA backed government.
1982 Iraq Military Aid Islamic Iran To support Iraq's war against the anti-USA government of Iran.
1983 Lebanon Troops;
Bombing Peace Keeping To ensure pro-USA factions won the civil war.
1983 Nicaragua Blockade;
Arming Rebels Communism To replace government with pro-USA regime.
1983 Zimbabwe Economic Coersion None Government had too independent foreign policy.
1984 Mozambique Economic Coersion Communism To stop support for democracy in South Africa.
1985 Lebanon Car Bomb Assassination To remove anti-Israel and anti-USA dissidents.
1985 New Zealand Economic Coersion None Country backed nuclear free Pacific.
1985 Chad Military Aid;
Financial Aid None Support for non-elected pro-USA regime.
1985 Honduras Military Aid;
Training Communism To destabilise elected government of Nicaragua.
1986 Nicaragua Military Aid Communism To destabilise elected government.
1986 Libya Bombing Terrorism To destabilise the country.
1987 Iran Provocation Terrorism To destabilise the country.
1988 Iran Provocation Terrorism To destabilise the country.
1988 Iraq Military Aid Islamic Iran Support for Iraq in its war against Iran.
1988 Colombia Military Aid Drugs Support for pro-USA government.
1988 El Salvador Military Aid Communism Support for pro-USA government.
1988 Turkey Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government.
1989 El Salvador Military Aid Communism Support for pro-USA government.
1989 Panama Invasion;
Diplomatic Violation Drugs To ensure control over the Panama Canal.
1989 Cambodia Military Aid None To destabilise Vietnamese backed government and to please China.
1989 Libya Provocation Terrorism To destabilise the country because it is anti-USA and pro-Palestinian.
1990 Nicaragua Election Finance Communism To ensure that a pro-USA government was elected.
1990 El Salvador Military Training Communism Support of the pro-USA government.
1990 Guatemala Military Aid Communism Support for the pro-USA government.
1990 Bulgaria Election Finance Communism Did not want a socialist government in power.
1990 Germany Document Theft None Unknown.
1991 Iraq Invasion;
UN Violation;
Sanctions Free Kuwait To ensure that Iraq became less powerful.
1991 Philippines Disinformation None Military bases.
1992 Somalia Invasion Humanitarian To ensure that a pro-West government took control.
1992 Colombia Military Aid Drugs To remove anti-USA elements.
1992 Albania Election Finance Communism Did not want a socialist government in power.
1992 Angola Military Aid Communism Wanted access to oil and diamonds.
1993 Iraq Bombing UN Violations To ensure that Iraq does not flood the oil market, lowering the price.
1993 Cuba Trade Embargo Communism Country using its resources for its own people.
1994 Haiti Troops;
Document Theft Democracy To ensure that a pro-west government is elected.
1994 Jordan Financial Aid Humanitarian To obtain agreement with Israel's view that Palestinian refugees do not have a right of return.
1994 Colombia Military Aid Drug Trafficking To suppress opposition to pro-USA government.
1995 Turkey Military Aid None To keep a pro-USA government happy while it attacks Kurds.
1995 Iraq Sanctions;
Bombing UN Violations To ensure that Iraq does not flood the oil market, lowering the price.
1995 Mexico Military Aid Drug Trafficking To crush opposition to USA business interests.
1995 Iran Sanctions Terrorism Country using its resources for its own people.
1996 Iraq Sanctions;
Bombing UN Violations To keep the country weak and to destabilise the government.
1996 Mongolia Election Finance Communism To help elect a pro-USA government that would allow electronic monitoring of China.
1997 Rwanda Military Aid None Support for pro-West government.
1997 Iraq Sanctions UN Violations To replace the government with one that is more pro-West.
1998 Afghanistan Bombing Terrorism To destroy terror camps built by the USA to fight the USSR and now suspected of being used against the USA.
1998 Iraq Sanctions;
Bombing UN Violations To replace the government with one that is more pro-West.
1998 Sudan Bombing Terrorism Unknown.
1998 Turkey Military Aid None Support for pro-USA NATO country.
1998 Guatemala Military Aid None Suppression of opposition to pro-USA government.
1998 South Korea Food Aid Humanitarian To make the country dependent on USA produced food.
1999 Yugoslavia Bombing Humanitarian European business interests.
1999 Iraq Bombing UN Violations To destabilise independent Arab regime.
1999 Guatemala Military Aid None Suppression of opposition to pro-USA government.
2000 Israel Military Aid;
Economic Aid;
Political Support Terrorism Support for a strongly pro-West country in the Middle East.
2000 Kyrgyzstan Financial Aid Humanitarian To gain influence in oil rich Central Asia.
2001 Colombia Military Aid Drug Trafficking To protect USA oil companies from dissidents.
2001 China Provocation Communism To obtain secrets and intimidate independent country.
2001 Israel Military Aid;
Economic Aid;
Political Support Terrorism Support for a strongly pro-West country in the Middle East.
2001 Iraq Sanctions;
Bombing UN Violations To replace the government with one that is more pro-West.
2001 Afghanistan Bombing;
Invasion Terrorism To replace the government with one that is more pro-West.
2002 Afghanistan Bombing;
Invasion Terrorism To gain influence and control over oil rich Central Asia.
2002 Angola Intelligence Terrorism To remove their no longer needed former client.
2003 Iraq Invasion Banned
Weapons To gain control of oil rich country and impose a government friendly to the USA.
2007 Somalia Bombing;
Support of Invasion Terrorism To install a pro-USA government. "

I never noticed posts supporting any of the above actions save Afghanistan by those who are branded inconsistant..

It's easy to call for reform and all that kind of garbage when you're not living there and subjected to rockets ad suicide bombers all the time. At a certain point you just start to not care.

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A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
- George Bernard Shaw

We do provide Israel with money, so it is our affair.

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Jordan gave it up. Someones got to do something productive with it.

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January 21, 2013: The End of an ERROR.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
"The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself."
---Benjamin Franklin

The whole middle East would change if 1967 broaders can be looked at...

In 2003, U.S. Spurned Iran's Offer of Dialogue

uhm to be fair I'd say that cuts both ways, hezbollah and hamas is at war with Israel as well, as is iran and syria via proxy so to speak.

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

I suppose you get no argument with that statement. However Israel is an invader and occupier in violation of international law. Take away our money and the weapons we furnish and outlaw the use of atomic weapons and let them settle their affair with their enemies. "winner take all". As long as there's need oil will be available for the west. (human nature at work).

Just round up all the Palestinians into ghettos and make room for the superior jewish race I suppose.

The difference is obvious.
The settlements are on Palestinian territory, not Israeli territory, so are not Israel's affair.
They are violation of international law, and an embarrassement to the US and the UN, for not totally dismantling them long ago.

It is similar to if Mexico would be to start tearing down buildings in LA, and start building Mexican settlements there.