I agree.
A country has a right to protect itself. Even in international waters.

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This is one of those rare occasions in which we are in agreement. Of course they "wanted to get caught so they could make news." This is the same non-violent tactic which was used During the quest for independence in India, South Africa, and other colonial territories, and which was adopted by Civil Rights activists in the United States. The "Free Gaza" volunteers believe, as Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr. believed, that by exposing the cruelty, intransigence, brutality, and inhumanity of the oppressors they can rally world opinion to their cause, and that international pressure might one day force the Israelis to act like civilized people.

Frankly, however, no one really expects the Israelis to suddenly become civilized--but they might be forced to end the suffering they impose upon the innocent people who live in Gaza.

There is nothing which currently prevents the Israelis from intercepting vessels in these waters, inspecting their cargoes, and then allowing those found to be "clean," which are carrying only food, medicine, and humanitarian supplies, to proceed to their destination. But that is not what the Israelis are doing. Instead, they are interdicting the delivery of such supplies in order to magnify the suffering of the people of Gaza.

I don't see how you can justify that.

no she took a whack at a congressional house security guard I think, as she didn't have her id on and he stopped her from entering....

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Depends on "that".
If instead the food and medicine is being redirected to Hamas - then that is a whole other thing.

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I see. Then you believe that the Israelis are entirely justified in starving the population of Gaza and denying the people there medicines, wheelchairs, and other prosthetics. You believe that, in direct violation of international law, the Israelis are properly conducting a genocidal campaign against a people they have previously displaced from their ancestral lands.

It is not possible to argue reasonably against such a position. Reasonable people will, instead, vow to fight against that attitude without rest.

Good. I hope they throw her in with some of the more dedicated Palestinian monsters, maybe then she'll figure out why the Israelis haven't the time nor the patience for her shenanigans.

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"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
"The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself."
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"Compassionate conservatism" is a truly ugly critter.

Your blaming the wrong people.
As in throughout South America, people starve to death while the government, the affiliated parties and the military are well fed by donated materials meant for the starving population.

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No, you are totally wrong.
Hamas has always run free medical clinics, schools, daycare, etc., and has tried to feed the people.
They are not given the taxes collected by Israel as they should.
They raise the money themselves, from external donations.
They are paying for the social services out of their own pocket.
Which is why Hamas is so popular.
And why Israel is so wrong, and will never win.
You can't ever get peace by taking homes, and trying to starve innocent civilians.
Israel is in the wrong, and deserves to lose.

Don't forget the free rocket launching sessions and the occasional suicide bomb while listing Hamas' resume.

Matt

Are you saying that, "Because injustice occurs elsewhere, injustice is acceptable in Gaza?" If that is what you mean, there is a gulf between the way that you look at the world and the way that I look at the world. I regard injustice as something that should be opposed whenever and wherever it exists.

okee dokee so that went over your head...I was saying that it has been shown in Gaza that supplied meant for the starving masses has been re-routed to Hamas military - hell they have pictures of it.

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yeah, Israel is bleeding to death, ehh Matt?


Jen

Whatever you want a picture of, I can manufacture.

Nothing you have said "went over my head," in the sense that I am incapable of understanding what you say. But I shall assume that you did not intend a deliberate insult. Consider the possibility that you could have stated your points more clearly and accurately.

The points that I have made; that Israel is depriving the people of Gaza of supplies which are essential to their well being, and that they are doing so in violation of international law and the Universal Rights of Man, remain valid. Nothing that you have offered negates them.