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Old 07-02-2009
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Re: Israel kidnaps Cynthia McKinney and a boat full of aid workers?

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Good. I hope they throw her in with some of the more dedicated Palestinian monsters, maybe then she'll figure out why the Israelis haven't the time nor the patience for her shenanigans.
Yes, the food and humanitarian aid.. shenanigans..
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Old 07-02-2009
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Re: Israel kidnaps Cynthia McKinney and a boat full of aid workers?

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okee dokee so that went over your head...I was saying that it has been shown in Gaza that supplied meant for the starving masses has been re-routed to Hamas military - hell they have pictures of it.

False.
What did happen was that Hamas was trying to claim credit for blankets that actually had come from the Red Cross.
Hamas had to give the blankets back, but was never going to keep them.
They were still going to get handed out to the same needy people.
And Hamas has no "military", and never has.
There are only a few police left over from when the PLA ruled Gaza as well as the West Bank.
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Old 07-02-2009
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Re: Israel kidnaps Cynthia McKinney and a boat full of aid workers?

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I agree.
A country has a right to protect itself. Even in international waters.

Well you are totally wrong.
Blockades of civilian commerce are illegal according to the Geneva Conventions.
All you can do is interdict weapons and war material, not food or medicine.
And there is no evidence that Israel is even remotely protecting itself, but instead trying to starve the people of Gaza.

How is Israel better than the Somali pirates?
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Old 07-02-2009
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Re: Israel kidnaps Cynthia McKinney and a boat full of aid workers?

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Your blaming the wrong people.
As in throughout South America, people starve to death while the government, the affiliated parties and the military are well fed by donated materials meant for the starving population.
This only strengthens Hamas and weakens more moderate Palestinian organizations.
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Re: Israel kidnaps Cynthia McKinney and a boat full of aid workers?

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I agree.
A country has a right to protect itself. Even in international waters.
Do the people in Gaza get to protect themselves?
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Old 07-02-2009
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Re: Israel kidnaps Cynthia McKinney and a boat full of aid workers?

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Do the people in Gaza get to protect themselves?
I don't think that he considers Gaza a "country." I am not sure that he regards its residents as "people."
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Re: Israel kidnaps Cynthia McKinney and a boat full of aid workers?

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Well you are totally wrong.
Blockades of civilian commerce are illegal according to the Geneva Conventions.
Since when are the actions of activists "commerce"?
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Re: Israel kidnaps Cynthia McKinney and a boat full of aid workers?

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I don't think that he considers Gaza a "country." I am not sure that he regards its residents as "people."
Well, the first point is true. Gaza is technically not a country. If he believes the second point to be true (that the residents are not "people"), then that's pretty tragic.
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Re: Israel kidnaps Cynthia McKinney and a boat full of aid workers?

Gaza strip is about 1/5th the size of new york city (the city proper not the whole metropolitan area), anyone in there is capable of being a problem to Israel in minutes. It's not like there is much wiggle room between Gaza and not Gaza.
If you were in charge of a paranoid militaristic state I'd say you were being measured in not sinking vessels trying to run a blockade into such a small area right next door.
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Re: Israel kidnaps Cynthia McKinney and a boat full of aid workers?

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no she took a whack at a congressional house security guard I think, as she didn't have her id on and he stopped her from entering....
Ok, thanks for clearing that up. All people who go ape shit begin to look alike after a while.
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Re: Israel kidnaps Cynthia McKinney and a boat full of aid workers?

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Yes, the food and humanitarian aid.. shenanigans..
And if Israel lifted the blockade, it would be weapons flowing in.
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Re: Israel kidnaps Cynthia McKinney and a boat full of aid workers?

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Gaza strip is about 1/5th the size of new york city (the city proper not the whole metropolitan area), anyone in there is capable of being a problem to Israel in minutes. It's not like there is much wiggle room between Gaza and not Gaza.
If you were in charge of a paranoid militaristic state I'd say you were being measured in not sinking vessels trying to run a blockade into such a small area right next door.
Yes, because we know that Gaza poses an existential threat to the mighty Israeli state.
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Re: Israel kidnaps Cynthia McKinney and a boat full of aid workers?

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Yes, because we know that Gaza poses an existential threat to the mighty Israeli state.
I didn't make a single statement regarding opinion on the degree of threat to Israel only that the reaction of Israeli forces could have been a heck of a lot worse given their posture and history.
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Re: Israel kidnaps Cynthia McKinney and a boat full of aid workers?

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I didn't make a single statement regarding opinion on the degree of threat to Israel only that the reaction of Israeli forces could have been a heck of a lot worse given their posture and history.
True, so I guess it's a positive sign that the IDF didn't kill too many Palestinian civilians.
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Re: Israel kidnaps Cynthia McKinney and a boat full of aid workers?

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I didn't make a single statement regarding opinion on the degree of threat to Israel only that the reaction of Israeli forces could have been a heck of a lot worse given their posture and history.
That true.

Its also true that the Nazis couldve been alot worse, as could the Russians, and the US and the Brits.

Everyone can always be worse mostly. Its not a good defence however.

After all, Ive punched you in the face. I couldve stabbed you. Feel better now? Nope.
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