So they sent tractors forward to prevent that?

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Tanks and artillery pieces don't dig.

Hmm. Not the UN so much. Doesnt the US agree with this principle?

G Bush #1 saying "This will not stand" comes to mind.

Moreover I cant think of any cases of the US accepting acquisition by war in the 20 th Cent.

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That is one of the elements of international law. It's also the basis for UN R242, Oslo, Geneva Accords, et. al.

Without such an impediment to war, every nation on earth would be acquiring more territory, and to the victor go the spoils, until that day, your adversary has suddenly gained the upper hand ... and ...

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Everyone talks cheap when its not their land they are standing on, and I don’t except us from some of that lunacy, the US has made a few blunders along these lines in that sense, i.e. Okinawa.

Control of the Golan is a strategic question, if I were an Israeli citizen I would never condone its release ala Sinai.


try imagining for a moment Nasser and Assad ( who was the Defense Minister after the baath having overthrown hafiz) overrunning Israel...you think they would have withdrawn? Or if they had lost in 73? Not a chance.

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Uhm being afraid you will have your land irrevocably taken doesn’t appear to me and in the historical sense an impediment for self interest and desperation. These mechanisms are how old? The blink of an eye historically.

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Neither do they take and hold land. So why send them forward alone to be shot at unless you wish to create circumstances for escalation?

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Yeah and Israeli secret agents also drove Egyptian tanks and soldiers to the Egyptian border and tricked Syria into signing a mutual defense (read aggression) pact.

Syria and Israel engaged in a tit for tat for years over water rights, syria bombarded Israeli settlements in their ( Israeli) apportioned territory etc.
Who hit john first is losing proposition to try and figure out.

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Granted. They are very recent in historical terms.

The question is, do you believe in them?

Or do you prefer the old weights & measures of war, conquest, victory & defeat?

If the latter, then really you may sit on the right hand side of old nick, enjoying the wars that continue. However, it makes little sense to complain when a side that you prefer takes a hit now and again - since you are agreement with war in the first place.

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Isreali agents? Probably not, that's fantasy.

However, there is admitted practice of sending forward tractors to encourage escalation in n atmosphere where the Isreali generals knew full well that they were quite capable of making substantial conquests of new territory.

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Well, indeed im not going to go into a who started what thing, since we've probably been over that.

However, in that light it makes sense to just give the land back pending a peace treaty.

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who is 'old nick'


I never complained, I am upset that the new world order has decided that fighting for your life, twice in 6 years against an enemy that has as its sole wish to wipe you out, requires shaking hands afterward and no penalty other than loss of material and life at the moment as punishment, payment or retribution. Screw that. They could only lose, there was no winning. So they refuse to play that game.

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

Okay, but don't complain if both parties continue to go to war for land. You can't have it both ways. You either have rules that both sides have to abide by, or the only law is the law of the jungle. If anyone picks the latter, I sure as hell don't want to hear them complaining when one day, things don't turn out their way, and they've had their little sliver of land stolen, or their people massacred.

We either strive towards living in a civilized world, or we don't.

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You already know that.


Thiefs can not win, no matter what game they play. Its true in the US as it is anywhere else.

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