Are you making stuff up whole-cloth now?

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Rude Boy,

Imp will now paint the Arab side as unreasonable and un-conscionable to justify his position of endless warfare.

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Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.

Guess who?

Thing is both sides have been unreasonable, and both sides have had their respective people, who have been reasonable, marginalized.

The "hawks" always want war, it's profitable, as long as they can sit at a desk and send others to do the fighting.

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Well, see, just as we were having a sensible non-contentious discussion you have to turn into an ass. bye.

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

Yeah no one ever won a war of conquest...

Are we living in the early 20th century, or are we going to behave like we actually live in the 21st century?

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Indeed. Yet why do others, such as on this thread, justify such?

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Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.

Guess who?

Generally not without wiping out much of the populace.

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Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.

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I’d submit as I said in a lose lose situation there are no rules…if they lost they lost ALL, if they won, they have to give it back, according a protection to their and anyone’s enemies who don’t pay a very stiff price for gambling and instituting a war.

I don’t enjoy or wish for any more violence, but saying hey just get back to the line of pre- 67 is a non starter.

And I do realize that the everyday Palast. is paying the price for arab wars….but then again they would have benefited, so squaring that circle is more than difficult.

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

What's contentious about it?

Offended are we? Or just unable to put your case?

I understand if its the latter - evil is a hard thing to justify on its own merits.

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Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.

Guess who?

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

At least have a go at squaring the circle, what would you like to see? Whats a good solution in your opinion?

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Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.

Guess who?

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Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.

Guess who?

These days there is no real strategic value to the Golan Heights anymore.
Artillery and missile have much more range now.

The reason acquisition of land through conquest was made illegal by international law, in the 1930's, was because otherwise there would be no way to reduce war.

You can not gain legal title by the use of force.
That is a pretty basic principle of law.
And Israel started the 1967 conflict.