Aren't you saying that Shane was right to defend Joe Starett and the other "sodbusters" against the Riker brothers?

hmmm...I'm going to guess like 20th century, since folks are still arguing about 40 year old wars.

Interesting.

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You might want to tell the Arabs.

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"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
"The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself."
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OMG! How dare you use such logic! Didn't you know that it's the Israeli's god given rights to have a manifest destiny in the middle east? They need all that land to have a place for all their fuck trophies!

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define, 'started'....

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

Is this the typical view of an Israelite or is it more like the following ?



The Animals Voice | Laura Moretti



In the Leaving

“What’s that noise?” asked John, the high-screech pitch too unimaginable to ignore. We were on the offside of a slaughter plant wall. He cupped his hands over his ears to give himself an impossible reprieve.

“Pigs!” I yelled back.

I could tell he didn’t understand. I hadn’t understood the first time I’d heard them, either.

We climbed on lidded barrels to peer over the wall: in every direction, as far as the eye could see, there were pigs: pigs on top of pigs, crammed into cross-fenced pens by the thousands, like dead sardines in tin cans. The odor they emitted was almost unbearable, of feces and urine; from the dark-walled interior building, the pungent stench of blood invaded our nostrils.

Some pigs were sitting on others, much the way a human might sit on a living room sofa; others seemed dazed. They sat in liquefied feces, mixed at their feet by their constant struggle to get comfortable, to vainly escape, from the urine they peed into the pens, from fear and disorientation.

And the pigs were screaming — bloody murder.

“Why are they squealing so?” John asked, raising his voice as best he could over the deafening pitch of pigs’ cries. As far as he knew, they weren’t directly in harm’s way.

I waited till the pitch fell, the way it always did, like clockwork. Still, despite the lull, I had to raise my voice to answer. “In a moment,” I explained, “they’ll kill a pig.” I pointed to where the warehouse opened like the hull of a giant ship. “When the pig screams, it will send a shock wave through the pigs out here; they’ll all scream.”

Right on cue, from the depth of the building’s interior, a screaming pig could be heard and I could see the animal, the way I once had: pushed onto a moving conveyor belt that would take it to the stunning tongs. Once there, the plant man would grab the pig’s head in the giant vice the way one would lift lettuce from a salad bowl. A painful current of electricity would surge through the animal’s body, stunning it just enough — or so it is hoped — to render it unconscious before the pig reaches the throat-cutting blade.

The screaming of the butchered pig in its death throes triggered the incredibly deafening screams of the pigs in the holding pens. Pitch. Lull. Pitch. And again.

I believe they knew. They could hear the dying inside the warehouse. They could smell death. If I knew what was happening to them, so did they.

When the lull struck, a pig caught our attention — as we did hers. There wasn’t any possible way she could have heard us, but maybe she sensed us there on the wall, maybe she saw a shadow we couldn’t see, felt a presence we couldn’t know we were emitting. Maybe pigs are just that smart.

She stumbled over the pigs packed around her, the one lying in the ooze of mud and feces at her feet, and made a deliberate attempt to face us. Exhausted from the about-face she had made or maybe from the stress of the entire ordeal of the killing machine or maybe from both, she abruptly sat in the muck beneath her tiny cleft hooves.

And then, I’m sure of it, she quite deliberately lifted her gaze to the two of us on the wall. I could see the white outlining her tiny blue iris, the pupil that focused on...John’s face.

A pig screamed in the building’s interior: the next ham on the chopping block, a fever pitch of a scream, a cry of utter terror and agonizing pain. It triggered the chain reaction, the knowing in the others, on the outside.

And the pig, her penetrating gaze still locked in John’s, opened her mouth into a gaping, heartfelt morbid grin. From the depth of her very being, she forced a desperately plaintive wail, a cry only a terribly doomed animal could make.

I felt — I didn’t hear — John as he stumbled backward off the barrel on which he’d been standing. I turned in time to see him land on his feet, pushed there by the sameness in him he’d unexpectedly seen in that pig. He had a look of the most profound and pure shock in his eyes.

I’d once had that look myself and completely empathized with it: an indescribable hurt for them as much as I now had for him. You see, in their passing, sometimes, some animals take a few of us with them.

Keep fighting the good fight.

Oh I don't know, how about fired a weapon in the enemy's direction?

One doesnt tell the Poles that they started the war between them and Germany does one?

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Guess who?

I know I know. Im sorry.

I realise that this thread was supposed to be about us discussing how barbaric the palestinians are and how the Isrealis are only doing whats necessary to defend themselves.

Sorry I put it off course.

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Guess who?

well, when one of your 2 ports are closed by the enemy, they kick out the peacekeepers, whom in the person of their leader says he wants your ass, moves several divisions up to your border, has allies on 2 other sides, and an overwhelming superiority etc. I'd say one is left with little choice especially when you know that the minute the shooting starts your survival is questionable, I'd say that makes a good case to strike first to even the odds a bit.

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Provoked ?

1. To incite to anger or resentment.
2. To stir to action or feeling.
3. To give rise to; evoke: provoke laughter.
4. To bring about deliberately; induce: provoke a fight.

Where did you get that, a PETA pamphlet?

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January 21, 2013: The End of an ERROR.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
"The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself."
---Benjamin Franklin

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/06/29/77336.html

Interesting. Could it be that some Palestinians are starting to see that the Hamas way is a dead end?

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start (stärt)
v. start·ed, start·ing, starts
v.intr.
1. To begin an activity or a movement; set out.
2. To have a beginning; commence. See Synonyms at begin.
3. To move suddenly or involuntarily: started at the loud noise.
4. To come quickly into view, life, or activity; spring forth.
5. Sports To be in the initial lineup of a game or race.
6. To protrude or bulge.
7. To become loosened or disengaged.
v.tr.
1. To commence; begin.
2. To set into motion, operation, or activity.
3. To introduce; originate.

started - definition of started by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Well since you asked.

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Guess who?

'They accused me of going without a headscarf' | Middle East | Jerusalem Post

I guess that's life in Hamas occupied Gaza.

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