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Re: West Bank vs. Gaza - Palestinians have a clear choice

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http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/06/29/77336.html

Interesting. Could it be that some Palestinians are starting to see that the Hamas way is a dead end?
Excellent article, thank you.


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The respondents gave Netanyahu's cabinet a barely passing grade of 5.6 points out of 10. Forty percent said the cabinet was not leading Israel in the right direction, while 37 percent said it was.
Netanyahu gets barely passing grade for first 100 days - Haaretz - Israel News

Could this mean Isrealis are seeing the light?

I did hope so, until I read this part of the same article;

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Forty-six percent of respondents said Israel should continue construction in the West Bank even if this causes a confrontation with the U.S., and 44 percent said the opposite.
This is depressing. Nearly half of Isrealis want the land no matter what.

When will they learn that this is not the way to peace? Do they even want peace?
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Re: West Bank vs. Gaza - Palestinians have a clear choice

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Interesting. Could it be that some Palestinians are starting to see that the Hamas way is a dead end?
interesting indeed.
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Re: West Bank vs. Gaza - Palestinians have a clear choice

If Israel will not give back ALL of the illegal settlements, and pay compensation for ALL the homes confiscated inside of Israel, then Hamas and Hezbolla are the only answers left to the Palestinians.
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Re: West Bank vs. Gaza - Palestinians have a clear choice

Unfortunately PeaceNow would like to make this thread about the Palestinians, however, its really about the Isrealis, as they have the power to dramatically change the situation.
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Re: West Bank vs. Gaza - Palestinians have a clear choice

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Unfortunately PeaceNow would like to make this thread about the Palestinians, however, its really about the Isrealis, as they have the power to dramatically change the situation.

The Zionists always did have the power to make the situation what ever they wanted.
The Zionists never had to try to force an independent Israel on the Palestinians.
It was illegal, immoral, and could only result in the impossible situation we have now.
There never had to be any conflict at all.
And it is not too late to do the right thing, and ether allow the right of return, or pay compensation.
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Re: West Bank vs. Gaza - Palestinians have a clear choice

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If Israel will not give back ALL of the illegal settlements, and pay compensation for ALL the homes confiscated inside of Israel, then Hamas and Hezbolla are the only answers left to the Palestinians.
The Israelis know this. They intend to use Hamas and Hezbollah as an excuse to take everything that the Palestinians still possess. Then they will get serious about making "peace."
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The Israelis know this. They intend to use Hamas and Hezbollah as an excuse to take everything that the Palestinians still possess. Then they will get serious about making "peace."

A very expensive "peace", that will always be dependent upon massive US aid and weapons.
A "peace" we can not afford.
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Re: West Bank vs. Gaza - Palestinians have a clear choice

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Are we living in the early 20th century, or are we going to behave like we actually live in the 21st century?
i hear people spouting this nonsense all the time. whats your point? an arbitrary date on a calender changed big fucking deal. Did human nature suddenly change? Did men suddenly stop lusting after power and territory? Are those men suddenly no longer in positions of power?

The answer to all those questions is no. Nothing has changed just because an arbitrary date changed. Nations have always abided by law of the jungle and will continue to do so barring some sort of brain washing. Nations will do whatever they can get away with.

Israel earned the golan heights during the war. they fought and died for it. Its theirs. If syria didn't want to lose it they shouldn't have fucked with israel.
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i hear people spouting this nonsense all the time. whats your point? an arbitrary date on a calender changed big fucking deal. Did human nature suddenly change? Did men suddenly stop lusting after power and territory? Are those men suddenly no longer in positions of power?

The answer to all those questions is no. Nothing has changed just because an arbitrary date changed. Nations have always abided by law of the jungle and will continue to do so barring some sort of brain washing. Nations will do whatever they can get away with.

Israel earned the golan heights during the war. they fought and died for it. Its theirs. If syria didn't want to lose it they shouldn't have fucked with israel.


No, the Golan Heights is not Israel's, and it was Israel that forced Syria to act by massacre of Palestinian villages, like Dier Yassin.

Israel can not be allowed to gain by acts of aggression and rights violations.
That is the difference between before the Geneva Conventions and after.
A change was supposed to have happened.
But Israel is not abiding by the Geneva Conventions, and is taking the world back to Old Testament ethics.
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i hear people spouting this nonsense all the time. whats your point? an arbitrary date on a calender changed big fucking deal. Did human nature suddenly change? Did men suddenly stop lusting after power and territory? Are those men suddenly no longer in positions of power?

The answer to all those questions is no. Nothing has changed just because an arbitrary date changed. Nations have always abided by law of the jungle and will continue to do so barring some sort of brain washing. Nations will do whatever they can get away with.

Israel earned the golan heights during the war. they fought and died for it. Its theirs. If syria didn't want to lose it they shouldn't have fucked with israel.
Idiocy. Thus you would approve of continued conflict, since war is a justification of itself.

For example, if Syria invaded the Golan and successfully took it back, would you applaud this?

Anyway, it was Isreal that fucked with Syria, in response to pressure from Isreali farmers. Even IDF generals admit that. You are being suckered.
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Re: West Bank vs. Gaza - Palestinians have a clear choice

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Hmm. Not the UN so much. Doesnt the US agree with this principle?

G Bush #1 saying "This will not stand" comes to mind.

Moreover I cant think of any cases of the US accepting acquisition by war in the 20 th Cent.
You must not to be able to think to hard, because all over the world maps have been re-drawn since WW2.
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That is one of the elements of international law. It's also the basis for UN R242, Oslo, Geneva Accords, et. al.

Without such an impediment to war, every nation on earth would be acquiring more territory, and to the victor go the spoils, until that day, your adversary has suddenly gained the upper hand ... and ...
242 calls for a negotiated settlement, not a compulsory withdrawal. Read it.
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Re: West Bank vs. Gaza - Palestinians have a clear choice

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Isreali agents? Probably not, that's fantasy.

However, there is admitted practice of sending forward tractors to encourage escalation in n atmosphere where the Isreali generals knew full well that they were quite capable of making substantial conquests of new territory.
As usual you are wrong. The mood and expectations at the time was that the israelis were going to get crushed, as war had grinded on for years between israel and syria and israel and egypt.
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Re: West Bank vs. Gaza - Palestinians have a clear choice

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Well, indeed im not going to go into a who started what thing, since we've probably been over that.

However, in that light it makes sense to just give the land back pending a peace treaty.
Yeah, that worked REAL well in Gaza and lebanon
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Re: West Bank vs. Gaza - Palestinians have a clear choice

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What's contentious about it?

Offended are we? Or just unable to put your case?

I understand if its the latter - evil is a hard thing to justify on its own merits.
Dude, STFU, really. You couldn't argue your way out of a paper bag, you lie consistently, and probably drive more traffic away from this forum than anyone else.
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