we have a thread on this.

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but the moment you use the description "racist apartheid state" with respect to israel, the conversation with you ends, because it is proof you understand nothing of the situation, prefer to bait and slur rather than use facts and intelligent reasoning, and are not interested in a genuine dialogue.

I'd imagine the equivalent off switch for arab muslims would be to call all of them terrorists because of Bin Laden, it simply is a sign that the person prefers to screech nonsense, and not discuss.

Once I saw you use that phrase, there was no need to read anything else you wrote, or will write, in the future.

Just as all of the jews HAD to leave gaza, they will all HAVE to leave the WB? You consider israel a racist state, because they do not allow arab muslims into jewish areas, but then they themselves are not allowed to live in muslim ones?

When the 2 states are established, will jews be allowed to live in the arab nation, or will they all have to be cleared out - yet israel will have to continue to accept a large portion of arab muslim citizens?

What are you talking about? This is not nuclear science. There is clear injustice taking place and you have to acknowledge that. If you dont acknowledge that Israel is oppressing Palestinians and grabbin their land and property to bring jews to replace them..... il do what you did with Joyb above... il ignore your ignorant ass in this forum for the rest of your life.

You dont understand what a two state solution is do ya?? I am not the one who labelled Israel as a racist state,... it labelled itself through its behaviour. If you want to be an Israel apologist who thinks it is 21st century cool to support israel. . . well il repeat, il ignore your ignorant ass for ever.... for everrrrrrr i tells ya.

WS.

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"You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom"- Malcom X

I am quaking that you might ignore my posts.

As for a 2-state solution, fine let israel leave the WB - but the terrorism and animalism from the arab muslim side would just continue, and it will not provide a peaceful solution, just as it did not for Gaza or in the North.

So long as arab muslims do not tolerate the sovereignty of minorities in the middle east, this war will continue.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LAND, NOTHING.

How would you describe Israel ? It is referred to as a Jewish State by its own inhabitants. It would seem Arabs do not have the same rights as Jews.

I think after 60+ years most Americans are very much aware of the situation

Now comes a real war monger to criticize our president.

Netanyahu: Schism With U.S. Grows Under Obama

What a large pair indeed !

so would the conversation with many historical scholars end abruptly as well?

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EVERY South African politician, activist, former apartheid government official, Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela, people on both sides of the previous system, labor unions, have described israel as a racist aphartied state..and most of them have remarked that the zionist system is worse than apharied era..
rhodescholars comment about arab animilism is proof that israel's supporters are fundamentally racists, anyone that believes a society should have different 'classes' of people, that a country with a mixed population can characterize itself as a state of "jewish people" (who are mostly immigrants from western countries and Russia) and confine the indigenous population to ghettos, constantly harassing them and practicing ethnic cleansing while stealing lands, and this is 'democratic' would have to be a racist, militancy against the most racist and repressive regime in the modern era is not animalism, it's resistance..

notice how he talks about zionist organizations trying to get his appearances at US universities canceled and calling him an "anti-semite" .. this is standard practice of zionists - calling anyone who criticizes zionism an antisemite.

Tutu to Haaretz: Arabs paying the price of the Holocaust - Haaretz - Israel News

never get security through fences, walls and guns," Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu of South Africa told Haaretz Thursday.

Commenting on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's statement in Germany Thursday that the lesson of the Holocaust is that Israel should always defend itself, Tutu noted that "in South Africa, they tried to get security from the barrel of a gun. They never got it. They got security when the human rights of all were recognized and respected."

The Nobel Prize laureate spoke to Haaretz in Jerusalem as the organization The Elders concluded its tour of Israel and the West Bank. He said the West was consumed with guilt and regret toward Israel because of the Holocaust, "as it should be."
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"But who pays the penance? The penance is being paid by the Arabs, by the Palestinians. I once met a German ambassador who said Germany is guilty of two wrongs. One was what they did to the Jews. And now the suffering of the Palestinians."

He also slammed Jewish organizations in the United States, saying they intimidate anyone who criticizes the occupation and rush to accuse these critics of anti-Semitism. Tutu recalled how such organizations pressured U.S. universities to cancel his appearances on their campuses.

"That is unfortunate, because my own positions are actually derived from the Torah. You know God created you in God's image. And we have a God who is always biased in favor of the oppressed."

Tutu also commented on the call by Ben-Gurion University professor Neve Gordon to apply selective sanctions on Israel.

"I always say to people that sanctions were important in the South African case for several reasons. We had a sports boycott, and since we are a sports-mad country, it hit ordinary people. It was one of the most psychologically powerful instruments.

"Secondly, it actually did hit the pocket of the South African government. I mean, when we had the arms embargo and the economic boycott."

He said that when F.W. de Klerk became president he telephoned congratulations. "The very first thing he said to me was 'well now will you call off sanctions?' Although they kept saying, oh well, these things don't affect us at all. That was not true.

"And another important reason was that it gave hope to our people that the world cared. You know. That this was a form of identification."

Earlier in the day, Tutu and the rest of the delegation visited the village of Bil'in, where protests against the separation fence, built in part on the village's land, take place every week.

"We used to take our children in Swaziland and had to go through border checkpoints in South Africa and face almost the same conduct, where you're at the mercy of a police officer. They can decide when they're going to process you and they can turn you back for something inconsequential. But on the other hand, we didn't have collective punishment. We didn't have the demolition of homes because of the suspicion that one of the members of the household might or might not be a terrorist."

He said the activists in Bil'in reminded him of Ghandi, who managed to overthrow British rule in India by nonviolent means, and Martin Luther King, Jr., who took up the struggle of a black woman who was too tired to go to the back of a segregated bus.

He stressed his belief that no situation was hopeless, praising the success of the Northern Irish peace process. The process was mediated by Senator George Mitchell, who now serves as the special U.S. envoy to the Middle East.

Asked about the controversy in Petah Tikva, where several elementary schools have refused to receive Ethiopian school children, Tutu said that "I hope that your society will evolve."

In respect to Winston's remarks

"Never in the field of human conflict has so much been "owed" by so many to so few".


The Arab states could use them today as a slogan with a different connotation !

They have tried to ingratiate themselves with the far greater amounts of muslims, after being part of a country that was ostracised for decades.

Tutu's credibility is long gone, and I notice that you avoided my point in the post above, such as the lack of respect for minorities and the heinous treatment of them in arab muslim countries.

The arab muslim will not tolerate the sovereignty of other people, and this fact is so powerful that you cannot even address.

Freaking hilarious, you treat someone like garbage for 1,000 years, then wonder why he wants a safe place far from you. Shocking.

And your lies about how israel is made up of people from outside the middle east is also hilarious, most israelis by a wide margin come from arab muslim countries, unlike the fakestinians - like arafat - who came from egypt, jordan or syria.

Interesting how you did not include quotes like those from Martin Luther King about how anti-zionism is actually anti-semitism - hatred of jews.

So how come they don't leave if they have it so bad? 20% of israel is arab muslim, who enjoy FAR more rights than they would have in ANY arab muslim country. Why let facts get in the way of your arguments?

Correct, which is why we support Israel so strongly.

Obama, the one-term president, i.e, the second coming of jimmy carter?