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Old 07-03-2009
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West Bank vs. Gaza - Palestinians have a clear choice

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As Violence Subsides, Concrete Pours in West Bank
By Luis Ramirez
Jenin, West Bank
30 June 2009


Israel has said it wants to boost the economy of the Palestinian territories as a way to bring peace. The Israeli leadership has not implemented any specific plan to improve economic conditions, yet the territories are experiencing a marked economic upturn as a halt in violence leads to increased trade and investment.

West Bank's economy

A woman in Islamic veil, speaking in Arabic, has a gleaming smile as she explains she is having trouble deciding on which dish set to buy. She browses through a glitzy showroom boasting European and American brands in a scene that might appear to be a shopping mall in Dubai, Qatar, or New York. In fact, it is Jenin, in the West Bank.

The town until recently was known as a bastion of suicide bombers. But now, with this brand new million-dollar department store, and a shopping mall in the blueprints, Jenin is becoming a haven for shoppers for women like Afaf Rahal, a Palestinian schoolteacher.

She says when she used to go to Amman and other places, she would hope that Palestinians would one day build a department store like this in the West Bank. She says she thanks God her expectations have been exceeded.

The Herbawi department store in Jenin, which was built with Arab investment, is part of what analysts say is a boom that is occurring in the West Bank despite the global slowdown.

They say the reason is security conditions have improved, allowing the wheels of commerce to turn.


Afaf Rahal, a Palestinian schoolteacher, shopping in Herbawi department store in Jenin, 30 Jun 2009
VOA News - As Violence Subsides, Concrete Pours in West Bank


Interesting, in Gaza terrorist groups constantly launch attacks against Israel and even against the very border crossings that they want Israel to allow goods to go through. The attacks force Israel to close those crossings and goods can't go in or out. And in the West Bank there is relative peace, and less terror attacks so there is greater freedom of movement and the economy can grow.

So the choice facing Palestinians couldn't be clearer. Support terror and live like they do in Gaza, or stop terror and enjoy more and more freedom and economic prosperity.

Maybe terror isn't the solution...
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Re: West Bank vs. Gaza - Palestinians have a clear choice

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VOA News - As Violence Subsides, Concrete Pours in West Bank


Interesting, in Gaza terrorist groups constantly launch attacks against Israel and even against the very border crossings that they want Israel to allow goods to go through. The attacks force Israel to close those crossings and goods can't go in or out. And in the West Bank there is relative peace, and less terror attacks so there is greater freedom of movement and the economy can grow.

So the choice facing Palestinians couldn't be clearer. Support terror and live like they do in Gaza, or stop terror and enjoy more and more freedom and economic prosperity.

Maybe terror isn't the solution...
Thank you. A sensible viewpoint and a good read.

However the Isrealis have their own choices to make. Finally make a concerted effort to define all their borders, withdraw their settlements, agree to a viable Palestintian state, share Jerusalem, negotiate with Hamas, with Hezbollah, give back the Golan Heights upon a treaty with Syria.

In the end its about either supporting war and expansion, and paying the inevitable price or stop belligerency and live as the rest of the modern world does.

Maybe belligerency and lies arent the solution...
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give back the golan heights? Never.
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Re: West Bank vs. Gaza - Palestinians have a clear choice

If the Arab population of the West Bank can be persuaded that they, and their children through all perpetuity, are destined to be no better than servants to the Jewish "settlers," then Israel may finally find "Peace"--on its own terms, of course.
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give back the golan heights? Never.
this is an example in a vaccum of how peace will never happen there.
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Re: West Bank vs. Gaza - Palestinians have a clear choice

Finally, they start doing something productive with the land they have instead of lusting over the land their grandfathers lost.
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Finally, they start doing something productive with the land they have instead of lusting over the land their grandfathers lost.
its easier to be productive with your land if the imperialist entity that stole most of it does not exist anymore. just a plain fact.
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give back the golan heights? Never.
Then how can Syria accept an agreement?

Another example of foolish intransigence over Syrian land.
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Then how can Syria accept an agreement?

Another example of foolish intransigence over Syrian land.
israel must have it to protect themselves. even though the reason they must protect themselves is because the folks are mad that they stole it!!!
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they didn't steal it they won it...hello, 1967?
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they didn't steal it they won it...hello, 1967?
same thing.
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Re: West Bank vs. Gaza - Palestinians have a clear choice

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they didn't steal it they won it...hello, 1967?
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same thing.

At a certain level of smugness and callous disregard for human rights, the whole thing is simply a "sporting match," with prizes for the winners.

Human suffering means nothing to such people.
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they didn't steal it they won it...hello, 1967?
Yes hello 67 where Isreal sent tractors in the Heights forward to start an engagement forcing a conflict over land they wanted.

Anyway, getting by the causes for a second. Territorial acquisition by war is in-admissable.

Its not a sporting competition where one wins something and keeps it.

So expecting peaceful relations while expecting to keep the land puts Isreal in a permanent state of war with Syria.

So they've got a choice. Live like the rest of the modern world without the threat of war or continue as they are as a dependent militarised island. Time to accept peace and put the ball in the Arab court for a change, after all, the Golan Heights mean little defensively anymore - neither the US nor the EU will stand to see any attack onto Isreal through it.
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Yes hello 67 where Isreal sent tractors in the Heights forward to start an engagement forcing a conflict over land they wanted.
They were supposed to wait and allow artillery and armor to dig in?
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Anyway, getting by the causes for a second. Territorial acquisition by war is in-admissable.


really? since when? since the Un said so?
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