strong domestic security policy, my eye!

Sure, to spy on YOU.

Every single thing they need to hunt boogymen can be gotten with a warrant.

The reason they don't want to get warrants is because they have to justify their abuses of authority and disposal of privacy.

And lo and behold, the NeoCons paraded people in front of cameras and scared the nation to death during holidays with fake terror alerts, when guys were filming not potentional targets but family trips to Disneyland!

MSNBC Countdown : Bush : Nexus Politics & Terror : 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8ZyD...eature=related

I refer to...Suspect in terror probe admits ties to al Qaeda, official says - CNN.com

If he doesn't extend the Patriot act...he is not interested in protecting Americans.

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The government cannot give without first taking.

Ever since that act passed, I have been hearing stories that all civil rights would dissapear, that people would be rounded up and put in prison forever without trial, and that everybody would be constantly spied on.

And since the act has passed, nothing seems to have changed. There are no SS going down the streets, rounding up protestors and putting them in camps. There are no massive arrests happening because of information learned through surveilence. Nothing seems to have changed.

So what is all the uproar about? Other then Paranoia. Personally, I follow the laws to the best of my ability, so I really have nothing at all to worry about.

What does this mean?

Because they uphold a different point of view.

If you do not break the law, you have nothing to worry about from law enforcement.

If you are not a terrorist, nor have any interactions with terrorists, you have nothing to fear from the Patriot Act.

The same goes with any law. I do not drive if I had anything to drink, so Drunk Driving laws do not affect me. I do not buy, sell, or use drugs, so drug laws have no effect on me.

It seems rather simple to me. And rather obvious.

And the Supreme Court does not just have a "different point of view", it judges if a law or regulation is legal when based against the US Constitution. Just because some uninformed people think it should be illegal, does not mean it is against the Constitution.

Well, I'd say the Patriot Act was made for people like you.

A socialist/Marxist does not a liberal make.

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I've got to agree with others on this. Obama lied when he promised to address the civil liberties abuses of the w admin. That's been obvious since before the election. He has paid lip service to those promises but all his actions have been aimed at continuing and even expanding those abuses. This should come as no surprise to anyone. Allowing w to break the law and allowing things like patriot act and telecom immunity to pass is pernicious precisely because the next president who takes office after the accomplishment of such things will assume them as the baseline from which he will expand his own power.

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To be fair, there is a difference between what the SC is supposed to do, and what they actually do. If a SC justice did what he/she was supposed to do, then the act of nominating a SC justice would not be said to be the most important thing a president does, as thier personal political views should have no impact on thier decisions.

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Liberty is a well armed lamb willing to contest the majority decision!" ~ Benjamin Franklin
"Diplomacy is the art of saying Nice Doggie! while you're looking for a rock. ~ Wynn Catlin
"There are no innocent civilians." - Gerneral Curtis Lemay. A.K.A Bombs away Lemay

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Need to keep up. Obama/Rahm and team just made a couple of tweaks and renamed the "Patriot act" to the "Justice Act". Allowed them to keep most/all of the substance but at the same time give them plausible deniability for all those on the left who are outraged by its existance.

Credit where credit is due. Was a politically brilliant move.....



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Im against writing Obama off like many leftys are doing these days.

You should've heard Pacifica Radio pushing "the Obama Deception" Alex Jones video. The host was like "Oh, I showed it to (the other host)Roseanne Barr, and she loved it. Roseanne Barr said "Obama should be
impeached." She was irritated that people were calling in telling her to shut-up.

Rush/Hannity/Fox News will be pleased to hear that "liberal" Pacifica Radio is helping do their job for them.

On Pacifica, even comedian Dick Gregory commented, "To think, the first time we have a black President in America and he's white."

But giving the Republicans a handjob on the Patriot Act is as bad as John Stewarts interview with Tom Ridge the other nite. Stewart was playing the Charlie Rose role as govmnt butt boy.

I don't have much tolerance for most of what pacifica says. I'm willing to stipulate that obama may turn out to be better than w on some issues. But obviously not on civil liberties, the rule of law, government secrecy, or corruption.

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So you won't be voting for him again?

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"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
"The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself."
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Believe me I wish that I was going to be offered a choice that won't make me vomit. But nobody the republicans nominate is going to have any more respect for my constituional protections thean obama does. I would vote for russ feingold or maybe even ron paul but they'll never be allowed anywhere near the nomination.

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