I voted for Kucinich, he would have done the right thing and shit-canned the Patriot Act.

The Democratc Leadership Council, who had Republican right-wing and pro-war stances during 2004 John Kerry Presidential debacle,had Howard Dean demolished when he should have been the nominee. Liberal issues were torpedoed in favor of lip-service and lies.


Since progressives are nullified, with not one real liberal or progressive in the cabinet, the whole 8 years of our new Prez. will be a George W. Bush reaffirmation, with Americans as the biggest losers.

Ask Obama this - "Why isn't Dick Cheney in jail?"
Answer- because Obama agrees with him.

Please. Howard Dean did himself in with the "I have a scream" speech, and Kucinich was an also-ran from day one.

Neither stood a chance of getting the nomination.

The fact remains, among senators, the ONLY senator to vote against the patriot act was Russ Feingold, a self-admitted liberal from WI who thought the patriot act went too far -- because he actually READ parts of the bill before the GOP rammed it down the country's throat with the help of the demotards.

Obama stands completely in support of conservative policies with his support of the patriot act, his support of foreign wars and demonstrating our military might in foreign arenas, his protection of the bush/cheney torture policies, the unwavering support of corporate power and corporate bailouts.

Obama is no liberal as much as the right-wing hate machine likes to make him out that way. Reagan, bush sr, Clinton, bush jr, and Obama all have stood for basically the same thing: corporate power.

The creation of the Patriot Act wasn't liberal or conservative. It was just stupid. It tramples on our rights and gives into the terrorists.

As long as the Patriot Act exists, no matter what it's called, it signals that America really is afraid to the point that it'll liberally cave into the fear that was instilled because of the 9/11 attacks.

The conservative thing to do would have been to reject trampling all over the Constitution. So on this issue, Kucinich is definitely a conservative, not a liberal. But it's hard explaining liberal/conservative to many Americans nowadays since they're heels are so dug in to the false pretenses of what they think it means to actually be a conservative or a liberal anymore.

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Come on now. I agree Kucinich was an 'also-ran' simply because he's like Ron Paul ... you can't make too much sense or your own party rejects you. Howard Deans only problem was the idiocy of the mainstream media taking one utterance from one event from one over-magnified (after the fact) recording from a microphone, and turning it into a big scandal because Fox wanted to turn it into a scandal. As though being hyped up about doing well in a primary is a big scandal. Bush fucking flipped off the camera as a joke when he was governor and that didn't submarine him because Fox didn't cover that.

hes no liberal for the love of god..thats rich

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Firstly:

The Patriot Act was no NeoCon scheme. Both sides voted for it. The people in the US were all but demanding for the Gov to put something in place, like the Patriot Act. The people were all about it, "For the sake of our safety and security." It was a bipartisan effort.

Secondly:

What is not liberal about legislation that increases power to the federal government? What is no liberal about something that could be used to go after "Thought Criminals"? The Patriot Act is very liberal. They like to have all the control as they divvy up the the crumbs that they leave the citizens after they had just stole it from us in the first place?

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Jeezus! What kool-aid have you been guzzling?

Does everyone on this board work for the military/CIA?

Actually, there was a story on Alex Jones about how message boards are rife with government agents paid to defend the "war on terror."

Listen - if some authoritarian nut-job in the gov. says he needs to take privacy laws away that's Right-Wing, Nazi, Fascism.

Didn't anyone take Dictatorships or are you all Ivy League Recruits?