Thread: State of Israel is a Terrorist Jewish State

Originally Posted by Alma

Sure! Everything and anything that betrays militant Judaists -- Zionists -- as Nazistic twerps is ought to be propaganda! And what about the rest of the quotes, are they also "propaganda"? No? Then Menachem Begin simply summarized them in his speech.

According to Zionists a "Jew" is not an ethnicity, but a religious persuasion, therefore Jews can not be Semites.

The fact is, that quote from Begin HAS NEVER BEEN PROVED. Why would you post rumor as fact?

You are assuming that Begin summarized what those others have said. If Begin never said it to begin with, which cannot be proved, your talking out ya ass!

These are questionable tactics you are using here on a very serious subject. It is intellectual dishonesty, and you know it. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for this drivel.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

The fact is, that quote from Begin HAS NEVER BEEN PROVED. Why would you post rumor as fact?

You are assuming that Begin summarized what those others have said. If Begin never said it to begin with, which cannot be proved, your talking out ya ass!

These are questionable tactics you are using here on a very serious subject. It is intellectual dishonesty, and you know it. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for this drivel.

Ya think? LOL

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

The fact is, that quote from Begin HAS NEVER BEEN PROVED. Why would you post rumor as fact?

You are assuming that Begin summarized what those others have said. If Begin never said it to begin with, which cannot be proved, your talking out ya ass!

OK', let's see who is talking out of whose arse...

"... further investigation by CAMERA reveals that the actual speech upon which Kapeliouk based his quote, as well as news reports at the time demonstrate that the journalist distorted the quote, giving it a completely different tone and meaning." Quote of the day

So, the quote was based on the real speech, but according to CAMERA who investigated how did it get into media the quote was "distorted".

All right, let's see, what is this CAMERA?

"The Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) is a powerful Boston-based lobby group that tries to curb criticism of Israel in U.S. media.

Founded by Charles Jacobs in the wake of Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon, CAMERA claims to be "a media-monitoring, research and membership organization devoted to promoting accurate and balanced coverage of Israel and the Middle East". According to its website, it "systematically monitors, documents, reviews and archives Middle East coverage" and its staffers "directly contact reporters, editors, producers and publishers concerning distorted or inaccurate coverage, offering factual information to refute errors."

According to its Executive Director, what sets it apart from other media watch-dog groups is its "sizable paying, activist membership."

CAMERA is widely regarded as a pro-Israeli lobby group that as put by Journalist and author Robert I. Friedman - "CAMERA, the A.D.L., AIPAC and the rest of the lobby don't want fairness, but bias in their favor. And they are prepared to use McCarthyite tactics, as well as the power and money of pro-Israel PACs, to get whatever Israel wants." CAMERA - SourceWatch

Look! Zionistic media monitoring set-up is telling us THE TRUTH (!!! ) about how wrong we are in misunderstanding Zionistic supremacists! Wow! You really proved your point!

Originally Posted by Italian

What on earth are you talking about? There are millions of Christians living in arab regions, just as much as there are Christians living in Israel, and they seem to be happy. Absolutely no one hides their religion. No doubt there are regions where extremist Muslims despise Christians, but we are talking about a hyped up minority. There is always going to be some ignorant noob who kills in the name of religion, but this goes for all religions, including Judaism and Christianity.

You talk about having travelled to the middle east, I feel like doubting this statement.

Doubt away, it is true. In fact, if you look up my posts made in here at this time last year, you will find that I was in Qatar. So feel free to doubt away.

And the restrictions I listed are true. Enter Doha customs with a bible, and it will be confiscated. For members of the US military we can bring them in, as long as we enter at the US Air Force Base. And we can't leave base with the bibles, we could be arrested for doing so.

And military Chaplains who are not Muslim must remove their religious affiliation pin before leaving base.

So go ahead, prove me wrong. How many Christian Churches are there in the following countries, and what is the level of oppression and persecution in these nations: Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, United Arab Emirates.

Let me google that for you

Originally Posted by Alma

OK', let's see who is talking out of whose arse...

"... further investigation by CAMERA reveals that the actual speech upon which Kapeliouk based his quote, as well as news reports at the time demonstrate that the journalist distorted the quote, giving it a completely different tone and meaning." Quote of the day

So, the quote was based on the real speech, but according to CAMERA who investigated how did it get into media the quote was "distorted".

All right, let's see, what is this CAMERA?

OK, who cares who CAMERA is? Was it reported factually, and was it taken out of context? I love how you blast this group, and totally ignore the fact that it is correct.

You seem to be upset that they seem to have proven a quote to be fraud. And that forum you reference then goes on in the same way. Nobody can produce any evidence that the quote was real, even giving several possible sources. But the moment CAMERA gets mentioned, it is like "Oh no, they are a Zionist lobby group, shut them up!"

The truth seems to hurt. So can you prove that the quote was made? Because nobody else seems to be able to do that.

Originally Posted by Mushroom

OK, who cares who CAMERA is? Was it reported factually, and was it taken out of context?

You seem to be upset that they seem to have proven a quote to be fraud.

The truth seems to hurt.

That's right, Mushroom, the truth seems to hurt:
1. Zionists are militant Judaists who took it upon themselves to decide who can be and who can not be a Jew;

2. While insisting that only Jews of Judaistic religious persuasion can be considered as Jews, Zionists are not shy in padding up numbers of Jewish victims of Holocaust with ethnic Jews who had nothing to do with Judaism. Hypocrites;

3. When caught in the act of displaying their true face, -- a face of religious militant nuts and supremacists, Zionists use their power over US media to deflect attention from the issue or pressurise whistleblowers into submission.

In case with the Israeli Prime minister's Nazi-style speech it didn't work: the juornalist refused to retract his reporting, and no one took him to court for false allegations and slander! Wonder, why?.. And mumblings of "misunderstanding" and "distortion" from Zionistic lobby for controling US media are not "a proof" of anything apart that Zionists have US eating out of their hands.

Originally Posted by Alma

That's right, Mushroom, the truth seems to hurt:
1. Zionists are militant Judaists who took it upon themselves to decide who can be and who can not be a Jew;

2. While insisting that only Jews of Judaistic religious persuasion can be considered as Jews, Zionists are not shy in padding up numbers of Jewish victims of Holocaust with ethnic Jews who had nothing to do with Judaism. Hypocrites;

3. When caught in the act of displaying their true face, -- a face of religious militant nuts and supremacists, Zionists use their power over US media to deflect attention from the issue or pressurise whistleblowers into submission.

In case with the Israeli Prime minister's Nazi-style speech it didn't work: the juornalist refused to retract his reporting, and no one took him to court for false allegations and slander! Wonder, why?.. And mumblings of "misunderstanding" and "distortion" from Zionistic lobby for controling US media are not "a proof" of anything apart that Zionists have US eating out of their hands.

Just so you know what this Zionism is, read what Wilki says so you can become familiar with what you are talking about.

Zionism (Hebrew: ציונות‎, Tsiyonut) is primarily a nationalist[1] or national liberation[2] Jewish political movement that, in its broadest sense, has supported the self-determination of the Jewish people in a sovereign Jewish national homeland.[3] Since the establishment of the State of Israel, the Zionist movement continues primarily to advocate on behalf of the Jewish state and address threats to its continued existence and security. In a less common usage, the term may also refer to 1) non-political, Cultural Zionism, founded and represented most prominently by Ahad Ha'am; and 2) political support for the State of Israel by non-Jews, as in Christian Zionism.

Zionism does not have a uniform ideology, but has evolved in a dialogue among a plethora of ideologies: General Zionism, Religious Zionism, Labor Zionism, Revisionist Zionism, Green Zionism, etc. However, the common denominator among all Zionists is the claim to Eretz Israel as the national homeland of the Jews and as the legitimate focus for the Jewish national self-determination (as shown, among others, by Gideon Shimoni).[4] It is based on historical ties and religious traditions linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel.[5]

After almost two millennia of existence of the Jewish diaspora without its national state, the Zionist movement was founded in the late 19th century by secular Jews, largely as a response by Ashkenazi Jews to rising antisemitism in Europe, exemplified by the Dreyfus Affair in France and the Anti-Jewish pogroms in the Russian Empire.[6] The political movement was formally established by the Austro-Hungarian journalist Theodor Herzl in 1897 following the publication of his book Der Judenstaat.[7] At that time, the movement sought to encourage Jewish migration to the Ottoman Palestine.

Although initially one of several Jewish political movements offering alternative responses to assimilation and antisemitism, Zionism grew rapidly and became the dominant force in Jewish politics with the destruction of Jewish life in Central and Eastern Europe where these alternative movements were rooted.

The movement was eventually successful in establishing Israel on 14 May 1948 (5 Iyyar 5708 in the Hebrew calendar), as the homeland for the Jewish people. The proportion of the world's Jews living in Israel has also steadily grown since the movement came into existence. Today roughly 40% of the world's Jews live in Israel.[8] These two outcomes represent the historical success of Zionism, unmatched by any other Jewish political movement in the past 2,000 years.

In some academic studies, Zionism has been analyzed both within the larger context of diaspora politics and as an example of modern national liberation movements.[9]

In 1975, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution that designated Zionism as a "a form of racism and racial discrimination". The resolution was repealed in 1991. Within the context of the Arab–Israeli conflict Zionism is viewed by critics as a system that fosters apartheid and racism.[10]

Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zionism arose as a reaction to the mistreatment of the Jewish People. Remember how some humans have tried to exterminate the Jews? Which side on you on? I think we both know which side. I was always taught I had to look out for myself, because no one else would! And you blame the Jews for doing the same damn thing? Preposterous!

But you have allies on your side. Hamas, Hezbulah, Iran, anti Semites such as the Neo Nazis, the white power radicals just to name a few. I don't want to be in that company myself, but go ahead, its a free country.

When I look at Israel and the Nations that surround it, it ain't rocket science to discern which Nation is the more civilized and favorable to our own American values. If you are looking for a perfect Nation, you live in a world of fantasy.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Just so you know what this Zionism is,
Zionism arose as a reaction to the mistreatment of the Jewish People.

Remember how some humans have tried to exterminate the Jews?

Which side on you on?

... and Zionists proceeded to mistreat everyone who are not part of them, including those ethnic Jews who chose not to be Judaists but Christians or atheists.

"Remember how some humans have tried to exterminate the Jews?" Yes. I also "remember" that among them were those "humans":
YouTube - WW2 150,000 Jewish Soldiers Served Hitler and the Nazis

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sou...50uC6GaCrnakcA

and these "humans":
This is zionism: Hitler's Jewish Police

Wiki on Jewish police: "One of the largest police units was to be found in the Warsaw Ghetto, where the Jüdischer Ordnungsdienst numbered about 2500. The Łódź Ghetto had about 1200, and the Lviv Ghetto 500.

The Polish-Jewish historian and the Warsaw Ghetto archivist Emanuel Ringelblum has described the cruelty of the ghetto police as "at times greater than that of the Germans, the Ukrainians and the Latvians."

Do some research on who was in charge of Jewish ghettoes -- Judenrat -- they were deciding who will go to the death camps and who will live another day.

And Hitler's grandad was a Jew, so according to Nazi law of 1935 Hitler himself was a second degree Jew.

But, hey! You will never hear about it from US mass media!

And what do we see today? Zionists are the Master Race!
"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."

"By their fruits you will easily recognize them."

So, forgive me, but I prefer to be on a side of those who do not declare themselves a "master race" and treat everyone else as "human excrement".

Originally Posted by Alma

That's right, Mushroom, the truth seems to hurt:

//cut out more of same racist rambles//

In case with the Israeli Prime minister's Nazi-style speech it didn't work: the juornalist refused to retract his reporting, and no one took him to court for false allegations and slander! Wonder, why?.. And mumblings of "misunderstanding" and "distortion" from Zionistic lobby for controling US media are not "a proof" of anything apart that Zionists have US eating out of their hands.

How often will you ever hear of a politician sue because they are misquoted? Ever?

That is simply a fact of life if you are in the public spotlight.

And you say they are all lies and slanders. OK, fine. Find me proof that this quote is real. Specific details of where the qhote was made, when, and who to. Because the references you provided earlier could not seem to find it. There were 5 or 6 different claims of where it was originated, and none of them could be proved.

But I have to hand it to you, you are sure working hard on this. ANd for all of your work, I award you the Hitler Seal Of Approval.

Originally Posted by Mushroom

1. How often will you ever hear of a politician sue because they are misquoted?

2. Find me proof that this quote is real. Specific details of where the qhote was made, when, and who to.

Because the references you provided earlier could not seem to find it.

3. But I have to hand it to you, you are sure working hard on this. ANd for all of your work, I award you the Hitler Seal Of Approval.

1. Excuse me, this is not a "misquote", this is a Nazistic rant attributed to a prime minister of a state! The only reason Zionistic lobby is working it's arse off to hash it up while waving it off as "unimportant" is because they KNOW if they will try and take juornalist to court they will lose.

Come on, Clinton was hang out to dry for less!

2. Go to Israeli archives and find that speech. After all, Zionists who controll US media do not deny he didn't say that; they only say the meaning of his words was "distorted".

3. Judging by Zionistic ideology of their "racial supremacy" Hitler Seal Of Approval fully belongs to them and their apologists, so keep it.

Originally Posted by Alma

1. Excuse me, this is not a "misquote", this is a Nazistic rant attributed to a prime minister of a state! The only reason Zionistic lobby is working it's arse off to hash it up while waving it off as "unimportant" is because they KNOW if they will try and take juornalist to court they will lose.

Then prove it. You keep insisting that the quote is true, but can's prove it. You insist that the truth is being suppressed, but can't come up with where the quote came from, or anything else.

You might as well go around saying that President Carter and Queen Elizabeth are racists. But without proof, it is nothing but hot air.

Originally Posted by Mushroom

Then prove it.

Prove what?

Zionist lobby for control over US media does not deny the words; it simply insists that they (the words) were misunderstood and misinterpreted. Btw, CAMERA insists on it without any proof and you do not question their statement. Go, ask CAMERA to prove the Nazistic supremacist rant of Israeli prime was "wrongly understood"!


Oh, and while you are at it, ask CAMERA how we should understand these rants:
"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee to Re-elect General Shlomo Lahat as mayor of Tel Aviv, 1983.

"The body of a Jewish persons of a totally different quality from the body of members of all other nations of the world. Bodies of the Gentiles are in vain. An even greater difference is in regard to the soul . . .A non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness." --Lubavitcher Rabbi Mendel Schneerson

Originally Posted by Alma

Prove what?

Since you can't prove it, it obviously never happened.

And don't give me that coprolite of "Jewish Controlled US Media", this is the Internet. Sources are available from all over the world. If this statement was true, I am sure that you can find references proving it on PressTV even.