Thread: Oathkeepers

Originally Posted by CowboyTed

Something a bit doggy about the whole thing....

The cornerstone of the US is Democracy. Now if you believe in Democracy then you have to adhere to the Majorities view point . So if the Majority want x, y or z then x, y or z it should be. The Majority could change the constitution would they then change there view point as well.

So the example could be a majority of Americans change the law to have a more restrictive gun control. I don't see this crowd agreeing with them. It seems that they are reading the constitution to suit them in much the way many religions read the bible and come back with different meanings... But unlike the Bible the constitution in America was written to be a living document not a stale one which it is becoming with the lack of changes for modern times... The last change was just minor back 1992, law now seems to be in the hands of a few partisan picked old guys in the supreme court, it should revert to the people, let the people vote more on the constitution
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No it isn't. Majority has never ruled here.

Originally Posted by Speakeasy

Well, MoveOn.org also claimed to be non-partisan and you don't even hear a peep out of them these days. Claiming to be 'non-partisan' is just a PR move to make one's organization appear fair and to appeal to a wider variety of people. Of course, it hardly means that they actually are.

Sur isn't every news organization 'Fair and Balance ..'' any way... Except 'Al Jazeera...' who are all terrorist scum...

I would think such as group would attract as many Libertarians as Republicans, with a few 2nd Amendment Dems thrown in as well. It seems to me most Ron Paul fans are "Republicans" only to support the candidate they like, basically, they're libertarians (small "l").

Having said that, it's a group I could support and even join if I thought the times warranted it.

I also think that groups like these share similar views to those that revel in the idea of a Zombie Apocalypse. Chaos and "fighting the good fight" are exciting fantasies to think about for those wanting to escape the mundane normalcy of every day life.

Originally Posted by Andrewl

Bush took away actual freedoms, he built actual "concentration camps" on american soil,

oh christ on a crutch, will you please....

and he treated the office of presidency as a tool for his own personal crusade, causing the death, dismemberment, injury, and mental suffering 10's of thousands of americans

What has Obama done? OMG, he's tried to introduce health care coverage for all.... the horror!!!

Andrew

Originally Posted by Imperator

oh christ on a crutch, will you please....

Did you not notice the "" scare quotes??

This is what i was referring to:

Halliburton Detention Camps For Political Subversives

Now honestly, where were the oathkeepers when that story broke? At home prostrating themselves to a shrine of Bush/Cheney??

Andrew

Here's the oath for anyone who was wondering:

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

I have no problem with a group like this as long as they aren't inflammatory. Declaring that they stand ready to overthrow the government if needed is in keeping with the founding of our country and the militias that are mentioned in the constitution.

However, if a group like this formed recently in the wake of the election of Obama, or if they are issuing statements that read like religious fetwahs, the FBI should be investigating them.


Armed revolution in the United States is a bit of an antiquated concept for a few reasons:

- America was a country of about 3 million people when the constitution was ratified. The country now holds 300 million people of diverse backgrounds and interests. For a small militia to be representative of the general interests of the country's people is highly unlikely.

- The militia's stated purpose in the constitution was "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State". We now have a large and multifaceted volunteer Armed Forces in active duty who serve at least one of the primary stated purposes of a well regulated militia, which is to provide national security.

- Although there are a few groups of enraged people at any given time, it would take something quite drastic and probably clearly nefarious to enrage the general populace to the point of supporting the idea of revolution. In the United States, I think we have yet to see an event of this kind since it's founding.

Originally Posted by Andrewl

Did you not notice the "" scare quotes??

This is what i was referring to:

Halliburton Detention Camps For Political Subversives

Thanx for demonstrating how ridiculous paranoia truly is bipartisan.

Originally Posted by CYDdharta

Thanx for demonstrating how ridiculous paranoia truly is bipartisan.

Exactly. **Applause** Perhaps you can share your enlightenment with Imp.

Andrew

Originally Posted by Andrewl

Bush took away actual freedoms, he built actual "concentration camps" on american soil, and he treated the office of presidency as a tool for his own personal crusade, causing the death, dismemberment, injury, and mental suffering 10's of thousands of americans

What has Obama done? OMG, he's tried to introduce health care coverage for all.... the horror!!!

Andrew

WTF are you talking about?


edit: Seriously, I believe you should stop posting on every single internet forum until you realize how dumb comments like these are.

Originally Posted by wiggidy

WTF are you talking about?

Keep reading the thread.

Andrew

Originally Posted by Andrewl

Exactly. **Applause** Perhaps you can share your enlightenment with Imp.

Andrew

I don't see where Imp needs any help.

Originally Posted by wiggidy

WTF are you talking about?


edit: Seriously, I believe you should stop posting on every single internet forum until you realize how dumb comments like these are.

Read CYD's comment. He got it.

Andrew