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Not quite on a par with the al-Aqsa intifada that resulted in the deaths of 1,000 Israelis and the wounding of 6,000 more, is it, now?

But, I digress.

And you are not leaving something out now, are you Ed?

You know like: Israelis and Palestinians Killed during Al-Aqsa Intifada



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Oh look, almost an entire thread made up of unsubstantiated charges and propaganda 'reports' from unnamed sources, 'news' agencies like Reuters, which never saw a photoshopped fake 'atrocity' it wouldn't print as fact, and AFP, a favorite 'news' source for neo-Nazis, etc., etc.,. And, surprise, not a single Arab atrocity in the lot! Gee, I'm convinced ...
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Oh look, almost an entire thread made up of unsubstantiated charges and propaganda 'reports' from unnamed sources, 'news' agencies like Reuters, which never saw a photoshopped fake 'atrocity' it wouldn't print as fact, and AFP, a favorite 'news' source for neo-Nazis, etc., etc.,. And, surprise, not a single Arab atrocity in the lot! Gee, I'm convinced ...
Amazing how that is just as convincing as hearing the Israeli side of the story. Israeli zionists are just a peace-loving people who want to be left alone and have no aspirations of making all of the territories their own.
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Oh look, almost an entire thread made up of unsubstantiated charges and propaganda 'reports' from unnamed sources, 'news' agencies like Reuters, which never saw a photoshopped fake 'atrocity' it wouldn't print as fact, and AFP, a favorite 'news' source for neo-Nazis, etc., etc.,. And, surprise, not a single Arab atrocity in the lot! Gee, I'm convinced ...
you can accept their word Picaro, the sources have been 'approved'...
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Daily kukluxklan type attacks on inncent Palestininas is rarly reported in US media, arson, beatings, assaults on children,murder, vandalism, a vicous campaign to ethnic cleans more of the west bank is done in accordance by the state and with constant support by the occupation army; in addition to constant housedelolitions and attacks by israeli security forces.

Here are just a few incidents that take place just in the past few months with new attacks daily, often attacks are unreported because violence against Palestinians is so frequent.

0 Settlers rampage through Hebron
Date: 26 / 11 / 2008 Time: 11:06


Bethlehem – Ma’an/Agencies – Some 40 Israeli settler teenagers rampaged through the West Bank city of Hebron on Wednesday, slashing car tires and smashing windows.

Israeli sources said the youths slashed the tires of Palestinian cars and Israeli border police jeeps near a settler-occupied building called the “House of Contention.”

The settlers hurled rocks at Palestinian houses and sprayed a Star of David on a wall.

Israeli police reportedly launched an investigation into the violence, but none of the rioters has been arrested.

Last week the Israeli High Court ordered settlers to leave the occupied building. Settlers have vowed to resist the evacuation, and the Israeli military has yet to implement the order.

Settlers also rioted near the occupied house last week, wounding a soldier, vandalizing a mosque and desecrating Palestinian graves in the area.

Following Wednesday’s riot, Defense Minister Ehud Barak said the government is determined to implement the High Court ruling on the disputed building.

Israeli Chief of Command Gadi Shamni said he would meet with settler groups again on Wednesday in hopes of persuading them to leave the "House of Contention" without further violence.

The Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, however, hinted on Tuesday that his government will not force the settlers from the "House of Contention," but will instead settle for preventing settler attacks on their Palestinian neighbors.

Speaking with reporters during his trip to Washington, Olmert said: "I read the High Court of Justice's decision closely. It ordered the house's occupants to vacate within three days, and if they do not, [it said], the government will have to do so. But it did not explicitly order the government to do so. There is something less than completely unequivocal in the wording the court chose."

Separately, the Israeli Jerusalem District Court ruled that settler activist Noam Federman can remain in a settlement near Hebron known Federman Farm, overturning an injunction to evacuate him.

http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php...tails&ID=33511

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Palestinians: Settler violence in Hebron will lead to casualties


'Yesterday huge stones barely missed my cousins; had they been hit they would have been killed,' says resident, claiming settler threatened to slaughter his family 'like Deir Yasin'. 'I was shocked to hear a soldier tell me: There's nothing I can do'

Ali Waked Published: 11.26.08, 13:57 / Israel News


"The stone-throwing tonight was not rioting, it was with intent to kill," a Palestinian resident of Hebron told Ynet Wednesday. "Settlers threw stones at us from the fifth floor. I picked one up and it weighed at least a kilo."

Majdi al-Jabri claimed the escalating violence of the Jewish settlers in Hebron was becoming intolerable. The damage that has already been done to his home includes broken windows, pipes, and water heaters.



"As long as it's just property – we've become accustomed over dozens of years. But in recent days there has been an escalation that will soon take lives," he said.



Al-Jabri lives with his extended family in a complex. "We're eight families, 60 people in all, and we are constantly threatened," he said. "Yesterday huge stones just barely missed two of my cousins. If they had been hit they would have been killed."



He claims his family had asked Border Guard officers to form a separation between them and the settlers, but that the latter had continued throwing stones indiscriminately at both parties.



Al-Jabri went on to say that after a settler had threatened to slaughter his entire family he complained to IDF soldiers, but they didn't respond. "He took out his gun, put it to his mouth, and said, 'Deir Yasin, Deir Yasin', referring to the massacre in the village of Deir Yasin in 1948," he said.



"I was shocked to hear a soldier tell me, 'There's nothing I can do, and there's no use complaining, the settlers and we are one," al-Jabri added.








He claimed discrimination was prevalent among security forces. "One of the settlers who threw stones was covered head to foot, including his face," al-Jabri said.



"He was throwing stones near an IDF jeep. If one of our women walks around with her face covered, she is immediately stopped and female soldiers are brought to determine her identitiy. Why don't they do something like that in this case?" he asks.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...628963,00.html

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Settlers write racist epithets on Palestinian ambulances
Date: 26 / 11 / 2008 Time: 17:51


Nablus – Ma’an – Israeli settlers attacked Palestinian ambulances in the West Bank village of Dier Esteyah on Wednesday, according to witnesses.

Red Crescent ambulances were parked in the northern West Bank city of Nablus on Wednesday when settlers wrote provocative slogans, such as "Death to Arabs" and others, according to the Red Crescent.

The Red Crescent expressed concerns about such attacks by settlers in the West Bank. The organization added that Israeli authorities are responsible for protecting their workers and vehicles from these kinds of attacks, and that not doing so is illegitimate, an official told Ma'an.

http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php...tails&ID=33523

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Hebron rioters damage Palestinian cars

Some 50 right-wing rioters hurled stones at Palestinian homes in Hebron overnight Saturday, damaging about 40 vehicles. Police arrested a right-wing activist on suspicion of involvement in the incident.

Also Saturday night, three right-wingers slashed the tires of a Border Police vehicle near the disputed 'Beit Hashalom' home in the West Bank city. The three fled the scene.

Earlier Saturday, four Palestinians and five Jewish youths were wounded in rock throwing next to the disputed house.

The house has been a source of controversy in recent weeks after the High Court of Justice ruled that security forces could evacuate it.

Settlers moved into the structure in March of 2007, claiming that they bought it from Palestinian Faez Rajabi. He denied the sale. The ruling sparked a wave of protest by settlers and right-wing activists who have warned that they would strongly resist the move.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

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Settler stone throwers injure five Palestinians in Hebron, one rights activist
Date: 01 / 12 / 2008 Time: 09:41

Hebron – Ma’an - Five Palestinian citizens were left cut and bruised after falling victim to an attack by Israeli settlers north east of the old city of Hebron.

The settlers are currently occupying the home of the Rajabi family, who are pursuing the matter in the Israeli High Court and disputing the settlers’ claim that the home was sold to the group in 2007.

A researcher for the Israeli Human Rights group B’tselem was also injured as he attempted to contact Israeli police in the area and ask them to prevent the settlers from assaulting locals. While in the area the researchers was also hit with a rock, and the soldiers he spoke with took no action against the violence.

Settlers claim the building, “Beit Hashalom,” was purchased from a Palestinian family for 700,000 US dollars in 2007, and have been using the facility as a residential, religious and educational site ever since.

Last week the building was ordered evacuated while the High Court in Israel determined who in fact owns the structure. Palestinians brought the case in front of the court earlier this year.

The High Court decision has sparked several waves of violence in the area.

http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php...tails&ID=33637

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KKK style , eh? I seem to have missed those parts in your posts. Burning crosses? Pointy white hoods and robes? Fire bombing black churches?

Why not compare it to Islamic extremism where plenty of innocents get slaughtered?
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Re: Jewish Settler Violence

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Amazing how that is just as convincing as hearing the Israeli side of the story. Israeli zionists are just a peace-loving people who want to be left alone and have no aspirations of making all of the territories their own.
Israelis ARE peace-loving. Every war was initiated by Rabs.

When the Rabs are not killing Jews, they're killing each other.
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Pay backs a bitch, ain't it?
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Zionist violence is worse than the kkk and attacks are much more frequent, the zionist aphartied is also much worse than the segregation scheme they had in the deep south of america in previous times, that's what the main comparison is. Not to mention that whites in america never conducted a mass expulsion of blacks.

The main difference between Israel and say, Sudan is that Israel is considered in American politics "A Democracy" or "The only Democracy in the ME" and therefore it gets a "special relationship" which includes being the biggest recipient of foreign aid, including direct foreign aid with no oversight or control to where the money is going, unlike the other recipients of foreign aid, it also gets trade benefits.. therefore the violence committed by them is actually American violence, paid for by American taxpayer money, including American tax deductible donations that go directly to these settlers, even the more violent communities.

No other accused human rights abuser-Myanmar, Sudan, or any number of african countries is getting all this assistance and in fact they have sanctions on them.



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KKK style , eh? I seem to have missed those parts in your posts. Burning crosses? Pointy white hoods and robes? Fire bombing black churches?

Why not compare it to Islamic extremism where plenty of innocents get slaughtered?
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Zionist violence is worse than the kkk and attacks are much more frequent, the zionist aphartied is also much worse than the segregation scheme they had in the deep south of america in previous times, that's what the main comparison is. Not to mention that whites in america never conducted a mass expulsion of blacks.

The main difference between Israel and say, Sudan is that Israel is considered in American politics "A Democracy" or "The only Democracy in the ME" and therefore it gets a "special relationship" which includes being the biggest recipient of foreign aid, including direct foreign aid with no oversight or control to where the money is going, unlike the other recipients of foreign aid, it also gets trade benefits.. therefore the violence committed by them is actually American violence, paid for by American taxpayer money, including American tax deductible donations that go directly to these settlers, even the more violent communities.

No other accused human rights abuser-Myanmar, Sudan, or any number of african countries is getting all this assistance and in fact they have sanctions on them.
Oh, please. You discredit yourself with such reckless allegations.

You're so hateful of Jews, you're losing your sanity.

Arabs have more freedom in Israel than Arabs anywhere else in the Middle East.

Get a grip.
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here we go again, "I hate Jews" you mean "I hate Zionists" these a big difference there, one is a religion, the other is a racism

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here we go again, "I hate Jews" you mean "I hate Zionists" these a big difference there, one is a religion, the other is a racism

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Don't pull that nonsense with me. Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.
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Don't pull that nonsense with me. Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.
Rubbish.

It is a nonsense to make such a claim.
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you can accept their word Picaro, the sources have been 'approved'...
I really hope some major news organization puts that up in protest of that situation.
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Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.
I am incapable of considering this statement as having been made seriously.
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I am incapable of considering this statement as having been made seriously.
Zionism is quite simple: Jewish self-determination and a refuge from persecution.

Denial of Jewish self-determination constitutes anti-Semitism.

I suspect you did not know what Zionism is until I explained it.
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