Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

Lets not forget, 90% of world supply of opium comes from Afghanistan according to a UN report I read a while back. So you can bet that most of the drug problems encountered in every country including America, has to have a direct relationship with Afghanistan.

Now, this guy, Ahmed Karzai, controls a large portion of drug trade and traffickin in Afghanistan. Deal with the basterd,... why is he on CIA's payroll. Nobody is addressing the fact that the Americans will look bad for dealing with this guy in the first place. It will reinforce the idea that the Americans have dealings with corrupted individuals under the table.

Secondly, how can you give Afghanis a chance in life when you got people like him in power. And what I mean in power, I mean CIA are paying him to be in his current position to serve them and comply with their demands.

**** the argument that the Afghanis elected this government. You know very well that Karzai and his lot were living in exile and were brought by the Americans and put in power,... then when thats the only face the people can see, you tell them now you can do elections?? And the recent elections were such a **** up that you cant really even mention the world "democratically" .... nobody believes there is any ounce of democracy in Afghanistan.

Anyway the harm that comes from this guy, to Afghanistan and the rest of the world should be a good reason for putting him in the list of most wanted. But, right now, he is an ally... so wtf.!!! How many people are dying around the world from this guys opium trade. So dont tell me we shouldnt give a sht about the drug trade in Afghanistan and just deal with the war.

WS.

Originally Posted by reality

dude karzai was in power already, as a drug lord. he was when we got there. we'd rather deal with drug dealers than terrorists. guess that makes us bad people. o well.

Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

Posts 28, 29 and 30.

Are you guys justifying this? That it's ok for the Americans to deal with corrupted individuals in governments around the Middle East? And you blamed it on the people instead of taking responsibility and saying the CIA played a big part in the creation of these puppet corrupted governments. Anyway, its hard to recognise ur faults and wrongdoings.... never mind.

Patriotism gone blind i suppose. This is a bad guy that would have dreamt of gaining an ounce of power under the Taliban .. . his ilk didnt exist. .they were hiding in exile outside the country . .probably in western countries..... with the rest of the opposition corrupted guys.. . . and when invasion happens. . . who does America contact first?... the opposition. Nice!

WS.

Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

Posts 28, 29 and 30.

Are you guys justifying this? That it's ok for the Americans to deal with corrupted individuals in governments around the Middle East? And you blamed it on the people instead of taking responsibility and saying the CIA played a big part in the creation of these puppet corrupted governments. Anyway, its hard to recognise ur faults and wrongdoings.... never mind.

Patriotism gone blind i suppose. This is a bad guy that would have dreamt of gaining an ounce of power under the Taliban .. . his ilk didnt exist. .they were hiding in exile outside the country . .probably in western countries..... with the rest of the opposition corrupted guys.. . . and when invasion happens. . . who does America contact first?... the opposition. Nice!

WS.

Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

Let me tell you some facts that may SHOCK YOU!.... Karzai was not in power when you arrived, it was the Taliban who were in control of most of Afghanistan... you forgot this already? Jeez! Which planet are you on.

Secondly, UN inspectors said the Opium Trade under the Taliban almost didnt exist... because the Taliban put a ban on growin poppies....

Infact i'll quote something a UN inspector said in Feb 2001:


"A 12-member team from the U.N. Drug Control Program spent two weeks searching most of the nation's largest opium-producing areas and found so few poppies that they do not expect any opium to come out of Afghanistan this year."

"We are not just guessing. We have seen the proof in the fields," said Bernard Frahi, regional director for the U.N. program in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He laid out photographs of vast tracts of land cultivated with wheat alongside pictures of the same fields taken a year earlier -- a sea of blood-red
poppies. "

Afghanistan, Opium and the Taliban

WS.

Originally Posted by Captain Trips

Since my govt. has already decided that I'm a probable domestic "terrorist" due to my "thought crimes," my purchases of "hateful rightwing propaganda" and Allah knows what else, I have to agree with this man:

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On another occasion, he said: "We've got to take out the U.S. government,"

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Todays American "govt." is populated by dangerous and hateful creeps of the very worst kind.

Allah willing, most of them will soon receive pink slips and be replaced by decent people that can think straight.

Though I'm not so sure there are any of that type that want to "work in govt."

Who are the terrorists, the U.S. Govt. or the Islamic extremeists ? It's hard to tell right now isn't it ?

Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

Posts 28, 29 and 30.

Are you guys justifying this? That it's ok for the Americans to deal with corrupted individuals in governments around the Middle East? And you blamed it on the people instead of taking responsibility and saying the CIA played a big part in the creation of these puppet corrupted governments. Anyway, its hard to recognise ur faults and wrongdoings.... never mind.

Patriotism gone blind i suppose. This is a bad guy that would have dreamt of gaining an ounce of power under the Taliban .. . his ilk didnt exist. .they were hiding in exile outside the country . .probably in western countries..... with the rest of the opposition corrupted guys.. . . and when invasion happens. . . who does America contact first?... the opposition. Nice!

WS.

Originally Posted by RRAHH

I can agree with this! (The part about taking the current government down!)

As for wanting to work in government? I'd love to but I'm afraid that elections and processes would be rigged against my favor! What I want for this country would send shock waves throughout the world and in the US and would probably be deemed "too radical and dangerous"! I guess, in a way, they are correct! It would be too dangerous for those currently in power!

Originally Posted by MattLarson

Anything done in the Middle East involves corruption in one form or another. Bakshish isn't an American term.....

Matt

Originally Posted by MattLarson

Anything done in the Middle East involves corruption in one form or another. Bakshish isn't an American term.....

Matt

Originally Posted by CYDdharta

What patriotism? More like recognizing simple reality. How are we supposed to get information about the opium trade if we can't deal with people in the market? And with corruption so rampant in Muslim countries, do you think we should just end all of our dealings with those governments?

Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

Please, this attempt to justify the problem is weak and stop with this already... as if corruption is a "muslim country" trademark.... there is corruption everywhere even at "home". ... so its not a muslim country thing.

Imagine someone saying... "And with corruption so rampant in Christian countries...."

The fact is,...America has very close ties with Middle Eastern dictatorships... infact most have been in power for atleast 30 years and they are still being considered "allies".... and yes they are corrupted to the teeth.... and the CIA even uses some of these countries for "torture" .. . how does that sound?

WS.