Look what I came across:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/wo...a/28intel.html

So this guy, Ahmed Karzai a known drug trafficker, is an employee of the CIA?? The dude got regular payments from the CIA for the past 8 years. Jeez!!

So what do you guys think about this? No wonder things are fked up!! These are the puppets the Americans put in place to rule Afghanistan? You want to free Afghanistan and its people by putting these corrupted people in charge? Its not the first time because the Middle East is full of friggin dictators on the CIA payroll.

How do you seriously feel about this? Your soldiers are dying so this son of a gun is in power?

Lets not talk about the fked up elections as well.... got caught red handed.

These are the guys America chose to lead Afghanistan. Nice!

As someone said in the other thread, you really dont give a sht about Afghanistan do you? But it doesnt make sense.... your soldiers are dying there so again, why the sacrifice? Its certainly not the love for Afghanis.... come on, someone tell me seriously, ...whats in it for the Americans.

WS.

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What made me laugh is that when he was interviewed he said : "I am not a drug trafficker and I am certainly not getting paid by the CIA"

WS.

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While there is indeed corruption, truth is we did not go there to stop drug trade.
Once the Taliban was pushed back, many people took the opportunity to grow poppy because it proposed wealth…..IT is not our responsibility to stop people from growing poppy, that is their government’s job.

And we are there to stop the Taliban; nothing more, nothing less.

If people choose to take the easy road out and continue the corruption in the region, then they have no one to blame other than themselves.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

IT IS TIME for Americans to take back the country and start a new government.

And what, exactly, is Ahmed Harzai's position within the government?

It's okay, I'll wait...

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If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

Whats your point? You dont even care about Afghanis, you want them all nuked anyway... so where are you taking this?

Why dont you find out what his position is yourself.... am sure the CIA would not be paying him if he wasnt important enough for them.

WS.

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Hang on a min am confused here.... I thought you went in there to free Afghanistan and Afghanis... and give them a better way of life. So you about that by installing this messed up government in there?

Atleast install a government that is decent, reliable, not made up of corrupted individuals. You are creating more problems.... for the future.... what if Karzai turns up like Saddam Hussein in the future. Give Afghanistan a friggin chance,.... you are not helping Afghanis by over throwing the taliban and bringing someone else in place who isnt that much different.

Now its about removing the Taliban only? It didnt use to be like this... it used to be Al Qaeda only

WS.

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He doesn't have a position in the government dude. He's just a local gang leader/drug runner that has shit tons of influence in the region of kandahar that the CIA has him use to recruit a paramilitary group to help combat insurgency. Which is what theyre paying him for.
Big deal.


Troll Fail.

Really?

You complain about those in power, but yet Ahmed Karzai isn't in power. His brother is...

Because what you're saying is silly. Ahmed Karzai is not in power...

See, that's not how this works. You're making the contention that he's in power; that he was "put in place to rule". Well, back it up. It's incumbent on you, not me, to show that Ahmed Karzai is in power in Afghanistan...

No doubt.

But that doesn't mean he is, as you've argued, in power...

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If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

So the war on drugs begins and ends in the U.S.?

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"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

Um, we have Iran boxed in by controlling their Iraqi boarder, and Afghanistan boarder.

Unless of course you mamby-pamby weak-kneed Liberals don't think Iran as a threat anymore.

Liberals are a type of "prey" species. So long as it's not you being eaten, it's a good day. Just don't be the last guy in the stampede when the carnage starts.

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He's just a different kind of wrong!

uh hey dude. not sure where youve been for the past... o i don't what is it now? 6 years? I know i was baked out of my skull for about half of that time and even i know the government was democratically elected. wanna blame someone? blame the afghanis.

Seems an unreasonably tall order; corruption and government appear to go hand-in-hand in Islamic countries.

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This certainly doesn't seem to help matters.

It's really of no real consequence that this guy is getting CIA payola since it's his brother who's in power.

However, it will inevitably by spun into a narrative that the U.S. paid to have Hamid Karzai installed and that he's our puppet. The perception is dangerous....and if the Afghani's believe it, I would hope the other guy wins the runoff election.

Anyway Karzai hs been pretty ineffective....and if he goes down because of this, I think it's all the better.

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yes I agree, and let me say not altogether surprised....folks like to pretend every country operates the way we do, and accuse us of not caring for native standards, methods and social mores, so the old double standard just makes me laugh....baksheesh is way things work over there. As far as poppies goes, until we can convince them (which I don't think we ever will) that another cash crop is more beneficial to grow and market, poppies will be grown. It’s a lively hood for 35% of the outter agri. population and thats life.

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Ironically enough, if we end the war on drugs, maybe we could convince them to grow fruits and veggies etc.

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"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004