Does it? I mean, i guess there less people to nail the problems on, when things go wrong i guess.

If you can, go into more detail, please. This is a perspective i haven't really come across before.

Yes, i think that could indeed lead to finding more middle ground. Interesting way of thinking given the internal fighting between all parties at the moment, maybe this sort of thing might catch on, who knows?

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I always figured that authoritarian/facist ideologies were closer to the far right than libertarianism, myself. Libertarian ways of thinking seem to be the polar opposite if you ask me.

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Prior to 9/11, that was the case. Conservatives tend to be more security oriented. The toppling of the towers was a stark illustration that we were at war, and that our law enforcement agencies didn’t have the ability to provide a satisfactory level of security.

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Apparently, conservatives tend to be knee-jerking pussies.The toppling of the towers illustrated the very basic fact that people are not immortal until they die in their sleep from heart failure at age 75. If someone wants to kill another person (and assuming that person is not a highly protected member of the government), he can. Thankfully, we still don't have a camera and a leash up everyone's ass (but we're close), even if it means that this fact remains true. If you think that a guarantee of 0 bomb explosions throughout the country at all times is what must be achieved to reach a satisfactory level of security, then you're dreaming. It will not happen. Not thanks to the PA, anyway.

Suck it up and deal with it. Your chance of being killed by a terrorist attack in 2001 was still tiny. And it would still be relatively tiny even if every year were another 2001. Worry about dying from the flu or getting hit by lightning or something.

On second thought, don't.

I think this is a case where one of my favorite Benjamin Franklin quotes could come into play.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

I'm a conservative and so is all of my family and they are all against the Patriot Act.

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I actually think that works well in the inverse too. (They who can give up essential safety to obtain a little temporary liberty, deserve neither liberty nor safety).

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No, they could't do that, torture is one thing but that's downright inhuman

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Yes, to a point. Conservatives are concerned about both the size of government and about its use of power. In my opinion, the reason why conservatives are not protesting the Patriot Act is because government has not abused the power it has been given under its authority. The Patriot Act is not perfect but perect is the enemy of good.

We didn't need the 'Patriot Act', that was just political show biz. What we needed was scrupulous enforcement of visa violations and more due diligence in issuing them in the first place, along with actually immigration laws. Of course, since the entire economy will collapse if labor racketeers lose their access to illegal labor, according to the Chamber Of Commerce and La Raza and faux 'Peace Leftists', national security, along with 'law enforcement' became a macabre joke in this country; another fine example of the best government money can buy, and another grand historical moment for 'Libertarianism'.

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"A day without sunshine is, you know, night."- Shannon

I agree that the paranoid ravings about the Act are largely unjustified, I just don't see where it was actually needed or has in and of itself actually done a thing to make us 'safer'. What has worked is loosening up the restrictions on foreign intelligence operations and the hunting down and killing of as many of the animals as we can find overseas, along with finally getting around to enforcing laws we already had before 9/11.

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"The real question of life after death isn't whether or not it exists, but even if it does, what problems this really solves." - Ludwig Wittgenstein

"A day without sunshine is, you know, night."- Shannon

And that is it right there. We "needed" the PA for our security... but never mind those pesky borders that are completely left unchecked. Never mind all those people that are here illegally, never mind all that. To do anything about that would be racist.

Let's just continue to leave our borders wide open, give visas to God knows who, never and I mean NEVER expect those to do their jobs and expect them to actually check up on people who over stayed their visas, never actually deport people who are illegally here.

Nope nope nope. Let's not do that. To do so would be racist.

The Patriot Act affected me the most when I saw this on a payphone:

"This conversation is being monitored by the U.S. government courtesy of the USA Patriot Act 2001, Sec 216 of which permits all phone calls to be recorded without a warrant or other notification."

Can't say if any of my home and/or cell phone conversations, (not to mention internet activity,) have been monitored or recorded by a third party.

Thats the most disturbing part. None of us knows that because of the patriot act. Well technically we didn't know it before the patriot act either, but at least then it would have been illegal without a court issued search warrant. Even before the patriot act, law enforcement had 48 hours to obtain a warrant after the fact for cases of immediate action. <--- which is why the patriot act is so obviously criminal .... it didn't give law enforcement any more tools than they had before, it just made them less accountable.

Well it affected me aright…. Someone is going through my trash...so I waited up one night and it was what appears to be my neighbors dog.....humm, frankly I think its an FBI agent in disguise.....I am going to poison a milk bone and leave it out there for him...we'll see...

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Yeah, because the government went around and taped those things to pay phones...

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