Thread: Suicide Bombing

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Finally, you're not making any sense with your sudden reference to justice. Perhaps you could 'splain a bit more?

Not really your just looking for an insult game. No surprise that's how you started out. Anyway no love lost and end of discussion. I'm an adult that thinks for myself and I don't care what you think about me. I'll do what is right. I know you want to leave a bad taste in my mouth and a dark cloud over my head - your good at that. You made me sound like Brutist on popeye or some street hoodlum just because I won't fold over. Anyway enough of the grade school baby fighting there's nothing to discuss with you. I'm not looking for a fight with you maybe you don't get that. Your all attack no reasoning and won't take my point of view so stop asking me questions.

Aikido is relatively pacifistic as far as martial arts go.

Originally Posted by American1984

Not really your just looking for an insult game. No surprise that's how you started out. Anyway no love lost and end of discussion. I'm an adult that thinks for myself and I don't care what you think about me. I'll do what is right. I know you want to leave a bad taste in my mouth and a dark cloud over my head - your good at that. You made me sound like Brutist on popeye or some street hoodlum just because I won't fold over. Anyway enough of the grade school baby fighting there's nothing to discuss with you. I'm not looking for a fight with you maybe you don't get that. Your all attack no reasoning and won't take my point of view so stop asking me questions.

An insult game? What insult game?

You brought up my sense of justice. I'm just asking for clarification, in case I need to defend myself.

I certainly don't want to put anything in your mouth, bad taste or otherwise.

Oh, and if you don't want your expressed opinions challenged, might I suggest a blog (or changing your name to Kathaksung). This is a discussion forum, so if you're going to express your POV, expect to have it discussed.

Originally Posted by Donkey_Left

But if civilians are killed that doesn't mean they are targeted. Our military kills civilians all the time. but they aren't "targeted".

I thought we weren't to discuss or consider collateral damage.


This discussion doesn't work kept to a hypothetical and philosophical context. Individual cases may or may not be justified.

Do you wish to discard your own topic constraints and discuss the U.S. military combat in Iraq/Afghanistan and the suicide bombers (from the 9/11 hijackers to the insurgents to the angry citizens) that have acted?

It seems as if we've gone from "is it wrong?" (in a vague sense) to "which is worse?" If we do that, we're going to need to leave the strictly philosophical.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Finally, you're not making any sense with your sudden reference to justice. Perhaps you could 'splain a bit more?

So it is written, so let it be done.

Captain Toast with pistols?

I'm sure I'm missing something...

Discuss the subject and not one another, please.

I already gave an instance of what I consider moral in many instances. It's not my fault you are not listening and looking for some out of subject argument points. If your ego is that frail over what I said about pacifism I'm sorry but I'm not going to sit here and make meaningless arguments when I've more than made my point. I'm not going to play this put down game.

Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

I thought we weren't to discuss or consider collateral damage.


This discussion doesn't work kept to a hypothetical and philosophical context. Individual cases may or may not be justified.

Do you wish to discard your own topic constraints and discuss the U.S. military combat in Iraq/Afghanistan and the suicide bombers (from the 9/11 hijackers to the insurgents to the angry citizens) that have acted?

It seems as if we've gone from "is it wrong?" (in a vague sense) to "which is worse?" If we do that, we're going to need to leave the strictly philosophical.

So, does the question really become one of whether the desperation (seems to be the main cause) that results in suicide attacks impacts the overall morality of that form of warfare?

Been a REALLY long time since I took a phlosophy class.

Originally Posted by MattLarson

Discuss the subject and not one another, please.

I think the on-topic discussion has ceased anyway.


We have established that it is not inherently wrong to carry and detonate explosives. Who could argue with that?

But we've been unable to morally decouple that from the reality that doing so in a crowd is quite immoral no matter who your god is or isn't.

Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

We have established that it is not inherently wrong to carry and detonate explosives. Who could argue with that?

Not so sure... we've established that carrying and detonating explosives is ethical, yes, but taking yourself along with them... not so much. Half of being a suicide bomber is the suicide part.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

So, does the question really become one of whether the desperation (seems to be the main cause) that results in suicide attacks impacts the overall morality of that form of warfare?

Hell if I know.

I'm not sure what the heck Donkey was after. Personally, in that regard, I'd contend that desperation should not factor in to suicide bombing specifically because the ultimate in desperation is survival which is completely negated by the act of suicide. What is actually at play is either a distorted sense of altruism or distorted sense of what the afterlife means in the context of murdering other people.

A discussion attempting to rationalize suicide bombing would be interesting. If that's what the OP's intent was, we have a ways to go...

Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

I think the on-topic discussion has ceased anyway.


We have established that it is not inherently wrong to carry and detonate explosives. Who could argue with that?

But we've been unable to morally decouple that from the reality that doing so in a crowd is quite immoral no matter who your god is or isn't.

It does depend, IMHO, on how the person end up detonating themselves. That's where the problem lies - is it hopelessness, brainwashing, dedication to a cause?