Thread: Wikileaks...

Originally Posted by Edwin30

It is the Muslims occupying once-Buddhist Afghanistan and once-Christian Iraq.

Open a history book, please.

So are Christians and Jews occupying once-Animist/Shamanist America?

Originally Posted by Slon

So are Christians and Jews occupying once-Animist/Shamanist America?

Deflection noted. Fail. Yawn.

Originally Posted by tsquare

I ask, not for the first time: Why is Julian Assange still alive?

Why is the building housing the servers still standing? (Yes, in Iceland, yes, likely multiple copies... but still)

Why is this piece of crap still open for business?

And the last question is more poignant given what the government is choosing to do with these people

Defend copyrights? Okay... Defend state secrets? Nope...

Originally Posted by poster's NYT link

The Times has taken care to exclude, in its articles and in supplementary material, in print and online, information that would endanger confidential informants or compromise national security. The Times’s redactions were shared with other news organizations and communicated to WikiLeaks, in the hope that they would similarly edit the documents they planned to post online.

After its own redactions, The Times sent Obama administration officials the cables it planned to post and invited them to challenge publication of any information that, in the official view, would harm the national interest. After reviewing the cables, the officials — while making clear they condemn the publication of secret material — suggested additional redactions. The Times agreed to some, but not all. The Times is forwarding the administration’s concerns to other news organizations and, at the suggestion of the State Department, to WikiLeaks itself. In all, The Times plans to post on its Web site the text of about 100 cables — some edited, some in full — that illuminate aspects of American foreign policy.

Yeah, those bastards.



Seems like you prefer your "news" sources to be slackjawed and slurping the government cock. Well, not all of us share that view.

Originally Posted by Edwin30

Deflection noted. Fail. Yawn.

Actually, he put you right back in your place. Double-standard noted.

Another victory for democracy today. This is historical and very welcome. Wikileaks is absolutely wonderful. Long live wikileaks.

Andrew

Originally Posted by leighredf

I'm for a transparent government, but I also believe that there are some secrets that every government should keep. How does the leakage of the Yemen documents (where we attack Al Qaeda in Yemen) constitute a "great day for democracy?"

The libs were whining over Valerie Plame being outted but then rejoice over this leak? C'mon.

This is a very important point actually. The fact is that governments reveal uncomfortable secrets when it is in their interest, as the Valerie Plame case shows. Its makes their bitching about it when the tables are turned a little hard to take seriously.

Andrew

Originally Posted by Andrewl

This is a very important point actually. The fact is that governments reveal uncomfortable secrets when it is in their interest, as the Valerie Plame case shows. Its makes their bitching about it when the tables are turned a little hard to take seriously.

Andrew

Plame's "secret" identity hardly compares to confidential and sensitive diplomatic issues with Yemen and Saudi Arabia, among others.

Originally Posted by leighredf

Plame's "secret" identity hardly compares to confidential and sensitive diplomatic issues with Yemen and Saudi Arabia, among others.

The Plame leak is not the only one though (it is just one example) - all governments use and reveal secrets to further their own interests. Now the people have access to government secrets, and we should use it to further our own interests. A democracy functions better when its citizens know what the government is up to. Wikileaks is providing an invaluable service.

Andrew

Originally Posted by Andrewl

The Plame leak is not the only one though (it is just one example) - all governments use and reveal secrets to further their own interests. Now the people have access to government secrets, and we should use it to further our own interests. A democracy functions better when its citizens know what the government is up to. Wikileaks is providing an invaluable service.

Andrew

But the citizens don't need to know everything the government is up to -- information about the D-Day invasion location comes immediately to mind. Information about sealed arrest warrants or pending criminal investigations likewise.

I'm sure Iran was interested in the discussions between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia on that issue.

Originally Posted by Andrewl

Another victory for democracy today. This is historical and very welcome. Wikileaks is absolutely wonderful. Long live wikileaks.

Andrew

I suspect that, one day, the guy who heads up Wikileaks will just disappear. One day, he just won't show up at the office, his mailbox will get stuffed, and no one will ever see him again.

That would be a great day...

Originally Posted by Steve

I suspect that, one day, the guy who heads up Wikileaks will just disappear. One day, he just won't show up at the office, his mailbox will get stuffed, and no one will ever see him again.

That would be a great day...

I like turnabout, myself (like celebs getting photographers to stalk the papparazzi).

Someone ought to "leak" all of the personal information on everyone associated with Wikileaks. Where they live, where they are staying, car registration information, etc.

Originally Posted by leighredf

I like turnabout, myself (like celebs getting photographers to stalk the papparazzi).

Someone ought to "leak" all of the personal information on everyone associated with Wikileaks. Where they live, where they are staying, car registration information, etc.

Originally Posted by leighredf

But the citizens don't need to know everything the government is up to -- information about the D-Day invasion location comes immediately to mind. Information about sealed arrest warrants or pending criminal investigations likewise.

I'm sure Iran was interested in the discussions between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia on that issue.

But information about the axis plans would have been great don't you agree.

This is not about any single country, this is about lifting the veil on the motivations and actions of all countries. I cannot emphasize enough how crucially important this is to democracy.

Andrew