Thread: Wikileaks...

Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

I just cant believe Steve & Co didnt blame Taliban, Al Qaeda, Islamic Terrorism for Wikileaks LOL.

Why would anyone blame those entities for Wikileaks? That would be stupid.

I like to place blame where it rightly belongs. In this case, it's with Manning and Assange...

Originally Posted by Andrewl

His activities are not heinous - they are crucial to improving democracy.

Improving democracy not at all. Wikileaks is throwing a monkey wrench into a process that is problematic at best - diplomacy. It is the same kind of crap which was pulled with the climate emails. People say things in privacy they don't want other people to know and which are sometimes just people blowing off steam. When stuff like this is released without context it only feeds chaos and strife. Sorry, I don't buy into the "Assange is promoting truth" mentality. The only thing Assange is promoting is chaos and disruption to the squeaky wheels which make up international diplomacy. Of course, the fact that he is becoming famous and getting his fifteen minutes in the spotlight is just icing on the cake.

Originally Posted by CDavidNeely

Improving democracy not at all. Wikileaks is throwing a monkey wrench into a process that is problematic at best - diplomacy. It is the same kind of crap which was pulled with the climate emails. People say things in privacy they don't want other people to know and which are sometimes just people blowing off steam. When stuff like this is released without context it only feeds chaos and strife. Sorry, I don't buy into the "Assange is promoting truth" mentality. The only thing Assange is promoting is chaos and disruption to the squeaky wheels which make up international diplomacy. Of course, the fact that he is becoming famous and getting his fifteen minutes in the spotlight is just icing on the cake.

But here are few highlights:

Western leaders give more weight to the views of arab dictators than they do to arab citizens.

Karzai runs an incredibly corrupt government in Afghanistan.

The US thinks Canadian TV is insidiously anti-american.

China is not universally opposed to a unified Korea controlled by the South.

There is suspicion of a deeply corrupt relationship between berlusconi and putin.

The US knew that Georgia was planning to attack South Ossetia long before it happened.

One effect of this release is also further isolation for Iran and NK.

That is just a sampling and there are still plenty more documents to come.

Then there are all the other leaks published by wikileaks going back 4 years.

WikiLeaks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Disruption and a bit of chaos? Sure. Meaningful change is often disruptive.

Andrew

Andrew

Originally Posted by CDavidNeely

Wikileaks is throwing a monkey wrench into a process that is problematic at best - diplomacy.
People say things in privacy they don't want other people to know and which are sometimes just people blowing off steam. .

Top PUBLIC figures, elected (supposedly) by the PUBLIC to improve living standards of the PUBLIC are doing their job "in privacy" and "blowing off steam" and persue their own ends with the result that the PUBLIC gets taken into wars, conflicts and economic crisis, and you don't see anything wrong with that! Brilliant!

I've been watchin this guy talk on several interviews on Youtube... he is serious about exposing corruption and has some 15,000 classified documents still under processing to make sure publishing them wont harm individuals mentioned there. He says he wants to show people whats happening but not give out names of corrupted individuals involved in the corruption.

Anyway, am sure people out there wanna know the truth, one way or another. So if its not Assange, its going to be someone else. He has received so much attention in the past few months, alot of people wanna be in his shoes now to do what he did. Great way to drive traffic to your website though, ....publish the classified TRUTH LOL.

WS.

Toss the mutha in Gitmo and see how many people want to emulate him.

Originally Posted by Ernie S.

Toss the mutha in Gitmo and see how many people want to emulate him.

Yes, that's a brilliant choice.

Maybe while we're at it we can just completely suspend the Constistution and just put a Bush in charge in some sort of hereditary rule setup.

How does Assange deserve the protections of thee US Constitution?
And what the fuck does this have to do with anyone named Bush?
You're coming unhinged, Pram.

He is and should be protected by the constitution. More specifically, it the 1st amendment. Freedom of the press is not and should not be violated. He's done a better job giving us news than ALL the news networks in the western hemisphere combined.

Your view on the subject gives a pass to espionage. Which is what he's doing, only in a more damaging way.

Wikileaks is a global organization with many members in science, journalism (or what's left of it), civil rights movements, basic democracy movements, etc. Julian Assange is but one of the spokespersons for it. Kinda ridiculous to focus on that man as it ignores the global movement behind Wikileaks.

Originally Posted by Andrewl

But here are few highlights:


Disruption and a bit of chaos? Sure. Meaningful change is often disruptive.

Andrew

Originally Posted by Alma

Top PUBLIC figures, elected (supposedly) by the PUBLIC to improve living standards of the PUBLIC are doing their job "in privacy" and "blowing off steam" and persue their own ends with the result that the PUBLIC gets taken into wars, conflicts and economic crisis, and you don't see anything wrong with that! Brilliant!

The naiveté of the idealistic is always so amusing. I look back at myself and wonder how I could ever be so foolish.