Thread: Why Aren't Conservatives More Supportive Of Obama?

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

haha...ahoy Tsquare!

so yer sayin' that yer own observations and evaluation 'o Mr. Obama's decision as our POTUS be predicated by what his own party says about him?

good gracious.

avast ye!

- MeadHallPirate

Still leaves me miles ahead of those who allow NORMAL to color their whole political agenda

Originally Posted by tsquare

Still leaves me miles ahead of those who allow NORMAL to color their whole political agenda

errm...

okies dokies matey.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by Speakeasy

Judge someone by how others react to them? Err...

You're so close here to just flat out saying "I like things more when democrats hate those things."

ahoy Speakeasy,

Tsquare has said them very words, mate.

more times than i can count, his lone observation in any number 'o threads be, "its pissing off the right people, so its fine by me".

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy Tim,

ye can agree that the skipper hath been very pro-active, in the most hawkish 'o ways that neocons and conservatives in general would laud....or ye can sneer at the OP, meself and Speakeasy fer bringin' up some inconvenient truths.

fer me own part, i haven't laid any criticism 'o Mr. Bush on this thread.

ye can disagree that President Obama hath been a moderate conservative in regards to his foreign policy, but i'd learn more from yer point 'o view (which imma always interested in readin'), if ye would do more than look down on them who ye differ with.

*considers*

really, thar isn't anythin' passive aggressive 'bout statin' the truth, unless ye prefer outright partisan mudslingin'.

what i consider passive aggressive, to be frank, be yer quotin' me and the mighty AjaxPress' observations, which seem fair and restrained, and ye just kinda let this remark by Tsquare go without commentary;



- MeadHallPirate

Rubbish.

This thread begins with what appears to be a serious question and an interesting topic. It then proceeds to assume that all conservatives think alike and can be defined, indeed, by specific and detailed military policies and events. Obama is then attached to these policies, which are associated with the Bush administration.

Then, having squashed all conservatives into one box, the disingenuous question is asked: Why don't they love Obama? This is followed by much ernest commiseration about how really sinister and hypcritical all conservatives are.

Then, when confronted, you respond with "WHAT? Who, me?"

This is the passive aggressive form of 'sneering' - at an entire segment of the population - and it is not my preference. I prefer the real thing. And when I see what could be an interesting discussion it annoys me.

And Tsquare did not come up on my radar.

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

Barack Obama has expanded our military efforts in Afganistan. Osama bin Laden was killed under his watch. . He even started a war of choice in Libya which resulted in terrorist supporter Qadaffi (or however it's spelled) being killed. He's kept extraordinary rendition, kept Guantanimo Bay open. He's even signed away a law that repeals our right to due process under the court of law with the passing of the NDAA. Soon he'll sign away our freedom of speech and expression online.

He's supported all military programs that conservatives hailed Bush for. He's expanded the authority of the government in all the ways that Bush was hailed for. He's supported corporations in all the ways that Bush has. Is it because he didn't engage in nation building in Libya? He's enacted all the big government programs that Bush enacted but conservatives seem to hate Obama.

Because of everything else.

ahoy Tim,

Originally Posted by Tim

Rubbish.

This thread begins with what appears to be a serious question and an interesting topic. It then proceeds to assume that all conservatives think alike and can be defined, indeed, by specific and detailed military policies and events. Obama is then attached to these policies, which are associated with the Bush administration.

Then, having squashed all conservatives into one box, the disingenuous question is asked: Why don't they love Obama? This is followed by much ernest commiseration about how really sinister and hypcritical all conservatives are.

Then, when confronted, you respond with "WHAT? Who, me?"

This is the passive aggressive form of 'sneering' - at an entire segment of the population - and it is not my preference. I prefer the real thing. And when I see what could be an interesting discussion it annoys me.

And Tsquare did not come up on my radar.

really, fer the purposes 'o USPO, AjaxPress' observations be valid, ye have to look no further than this thread see that. if yer feelin' sprightly, ye can click once and survey the entire war 'n peace forum....try'n find one (just one) thread started by a conservative who speaks approvingly 'o the skipper's foreign policy.

just one (there may actually be one, who knows? i defy ye to find two, though, yarrr!).

when confronted, i felt kinda dissapointed, actually...if ye feel ye have volumes 'o positive (or even negative) observations 'o Mr. Obama's active and spirited use 'o our military, i'd like to hear it. honestly, imma always interested to hear what ye have to say.

regardin' Tsquare, imma unclear why he wasn't on yer radar. do ye have him on ignore?

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy Tim,



really, fer the purposes 'o USPO, AjaxPress' observations be valid, ye have to look no further than this thread see that. if yer feelin' sprightly, ye can click once and survey the entire war 'n peace forum....try'n find one (just one) thread started by a conservative who speaks approvingly 'o the skipper's foreign policy.

just one (there may actually be one, who knows? i defy ye to find two, though, yarrr!).

when confronted, i felt kinda dissapointed, actually...if ye feel ye have volumes 'o positive (or even negative) observations 'o Mr. Obama's active and spirited use 'o our military, i'd like to hear it. honestly, imma always interested to hear what ye have to say.

regardin' Tsquare, imma unclear why he wasn't on yer radar. do ye have him on ignore?

- MeadHallPirate

I am not 'feeling sprightly' at the moment. When there is a thread about Obama's foreign policy I may post. It depends if it interests me.

The topic of this curious thread is the assumed lack of love for Obama on the part of ungrateful conservatives because he has continued the military policies of Bush. That assumes a definition of 'conservative' which you and the OP and the vast majority of the members here assume to be unquestionably true - - but which I completely reject. I hope that is clear.

As for Tsquare's posts, I am not clear as to why you are interested, but no, he is not on my ignore list. I didn't get to his post.

Originally Posted by buck84

So its conservatives who use every tv appearance and interview to instigate class warfare? You know, the whole "rich don't pay their fair share" argument. That's a pretty liberal thing to do. What about the healthcare bill, that ranks at the top of the liberal's christmas list as well. He is in fact a liberal, but sometimes he's forced to do some conservative things, because even though the liberals in this country "think" they make up 99% of the population, unfortunately for them, they don't and Obama is running for re-election. I think if he does win re-election, we'll all find out exactly how liberal or how conservative he is. If there is another 4 years nothing to lose the next time.

Liberals only make up 23% or so of the population of the US, and Obama is obviously not one of them. Otherwise, he would have never been elected. So like many Republicans you really don't even know what the word "liberal" means. That is just the "learn to speak Tea Bag" label for anybody who isn't as conservative and authoritarian as them.

Originally Posted by jviehe

Because of everything else.

Your candor is refreshing.

Meadhall - I should have held back a bit. Sorry. But I do get fed up with these coy "conservatives are..." threads. I do not accept them

I think that it is simple tribalism.

Obama was elected under the Democratic tribe's banner so everything that he does will be rejected by the GOP tribe without any regard for the merits of the position.

Just as the Democratic tribe did when Bush put forward any proposals.

Originally Posted by RDK

I think that it is simple tribalism.

Obama was elected under the Democratic tribe's banner so everything that he does will be rejected by the GOP tribe without any regard for the merits of the position.

Just as the Democratic tribe did when Bush put forward any proposals.

You are half right. Did Bush get his tax cuts?

Let's ask George W. Bush's former speechwriter to comment on health care reform...

"At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994."

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Originally Posted by AjaxPress

Why Aren't Conservatives More Supportive Of Obama?

Because he's a commie/pinko piece of shit.