Thread: Why Aren't Conservatives More Supportive Of Obama?

Originally Posted by hairballxavier

Because he's a commie/pinko piece of shit.

Describe he foreign policy issues you disagree with that Obama has taken? Sure it's a witty one liner in your eyes but it doesn't really add anything to the discussion.

Originally Posted by jviehe

Well, your post was superficial and rhetorical.

In what way was the comment superficial? I've rarely heard any praise for ANYTHING Obama has done except for when bin Laden was killed. In so many respects Obama is the same as Bush yet for the things Bush was hailed for Obama is either not given any credit or gets lambasted. Most of the people without a dog in this hunt are saying those on the right are being partisans. If the rightwing of the party is no longer defined by any sort of principles except by what they're against then increasingly it would seem that they are to be dismissed outright.

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

In what way was the comment superficial? I've rarely heard any praise for ANYTHING Obama has done except for when bin Laden was killed. In so many respects Obama is the same as Bush yet for the things Bush was hailed for Obama is either not given any credit or gets lambasted. Most of the people without a dog in this hunt are saying those on the right are being partisans. If the rightwing of the party is no longer defined by any sort of principles except by what they're against then increasingly it would seem that they are to be dismissed outright.

The things you mentioned are not neccesarily supported by conservatives, and you simplified the credit. And as I said, you left a whole bunch out. You were obviously being fasectious. The disagreements between the two ideologies are well known. Obama beleives in redistribution of wealth and govt control of industries. Real conservatives do not.

Originally Posted by jviehe

The things you mentioned are not neccesarily supported by conservatives, and you simplified the credit. And as I said, you left a whole bunch out. You were obviously being fasectious. The disagreements between the two ideologies are well known. Obama beleives in redistribution of wealth and govt control of industries. Real conservatives do not.

This thread is in the WAR&PEACE subforum for a reason. In regards to security and military issues those on the right lambast Obama for things they praised Bush for. I'm not talking about tax policy or healthcare.

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

This thread is in the WAR&PEACE subforum for a reason. In regards to security and military issues those on the right lambast Obama for things they praised Bush for. I'm not talking about tax policy or healthcare.

You included it in your OP. But if you just want to narrow things to his job as CinC, then yeah, hes done ok. Not as good as Bush, but better than expected.

Originally Posted by jviehe

You included it in your OP. But if you just want to narrow things to his job as CinC, then yeah, hes done ok. Not as good as Bush, but better than expected.

Really? Didn't Obama create enough terrorists with his policies?

AN INTERROGATOR SPEAKS

"I learned in Iraq that the No. 1 reason foreign fighters flocked there to fight were the abuses carried out at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. Our policy of torture was directly and swiftly recruiting fighters for al-Qaeda in Iraq. The large majority of suicide bombings in Iraq are still carried out by these foreigners. They are also involved in most of the attacks on U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq. It's no exaggeration to say that at least half of our losses and casualties in that country have come at the hands of foreigners who joined the fray because of our program of detainee abuse. The number of U.S. soldiers who have died because of our torture policy will never be definitively known, but it is fair to say that it is close to the number of lives lost on Sept. 11, 2001. How anyone can say that torture keeps Americans safe is beyond me -- unless you don't count American soldiers as Americans."

By Matthew Alexander

Matthew Alexander has spent eighteen years in the U.S. Air Force and Air Force Reserves. An “investigator turned interrogator,” he deployed to Iraq in 2006, where he led the interrogations team that located Abu Musab al Zarqawi, the former leader of Al Qaida in Iraq, who was killed by Coalition Forces. Alexander was awarded the Bronze Star for his achievements.
Washington Post

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

Describe he foreign policy issues you disagree with that Obama has taken?

Well, to begin with he went to war in Libya without getting the constitutionally required congressional approval.

And his administration claimed that they did not even know who the rebels were. You know, those people trying to overthrow the democratically elected government in Libya.

Then later we find out they were Al Qaeda. Just as Qadafi said.

That's some pretty fucked up shit!

There's two things going on here. Republicans don't want to praise Obama even though he's doing what they want. And liberals, who ran around with their hair on fire talking about the end of the republic when Bush did these things, now express their firm disapproval. And they'll still vote for the President's reelection.

Strawman, for the most part hes not doing what they want.

Originally Posted by adaher

...And liberals, who ran around with their hair on fire talking about the end of the republic when Bush did these things, now express their firm disapproval. And they'll still vote for the President's reelection.

When the history of this administration is finally written, it will be noted just how much the political left lost in the election of Obama. Among many, many other things... any moral high ground that they could claim as the 'anti-war' side of the body politic. All that is gone and they are seen as we always knew them to be... self-absorbed hypocrites.

Originally Posted by tsquare

When the history of this administration is finally written, it will be noted just how much the political left lost in the election of Obama. Among many, many other things... any moral high ground that they could claim as the 'anti-war' side of the body politic. All that is gone and they are seen as we always knew them to be... self-absorbed hypocrites.

ahoy Tsquare,

that may be, matey. we can talk 'bout it in a half century or so, and see how history treats President Obama.

democrats and really, the entire nation, knew that candidate Obama would prosecute the war in Aghanistan, so thar really be no surprise thar, nor be thar any hypocrisy.

in terms 'o Mr. Obama's aggressive pursuit 'o AQ, well, anyone who wasn't asleep durin' the 2008 elections knew the senator's view on this;

We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al-Qaida. That has to be our biggest national security priority.

- candidate Obama, Oct. 7 2008

no surprises thar, nor be thar any hypocrisy.

to return to the OP, the only hypocrisy here be chest thumpin' conservatives that have suddenly gone dovish....either that, or they just can't bring themselves to laud the President's fearsome use 'o our military to keep america safe.

aye.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by adaher

There's two things going on here. Republicans don't want to praise Obama even though he's doing what they want. And liberals, who ran around with their hair on fire talking about the end of the republic when Bush did these things, now express their firm disapproval. And they'll still vote for the President's reelection.

Who are they going to vote for instead? Someone who is far worse? And why do you keep mentioning this small group of 23% of the population as though they actually have much political power at all?

Obama is no more a liberal than any Republican candidate is. But he is less conservative and far less authoritarian than all but Ron Paul.

The real question is why anybody who actually believes in the tenets which this country was founded would ever vote for someone who only shows so much contempt for those principles. Someone who is actually violating their oath of office from the moment they put their hand on the Bible. Someone like GWB who actually belongs in prison for torturing and murdering innocent civilians yet got reelected anyway.

Originally Posted by jviehe

Strawman, for the most part hes not doing what they want.

There are disagreement with HOW he's done some things, and of course conservatives have moved more towards traditional isolationism in recent years. But the President has earned praise from neoconservative op-ed writers and Republicans in general have not acted like the world was ending because of our warmonger President. They've been much more mature than Democrats were during the Bush years.