Thread: 400 civilians killed in Homs, Syria and Russia dithers

The more they do the more they seem to get slaughtered...that's why they need outside help. During the revolutionary war btw, we also got help, and in all honesty we wouldn't have ever gotten independance from the Brits and beaten off the shackles of colonionalism without help. Of course you full well know that, but it doesn't bolster your attention seeking so you of course chose to omit that fact. Very selective in your memory of history.

Originally Posted by Traveler

The more they do the more they seem to get slaughtered...that's why they need outside help. During the revolutionary war btw, we also got help, and in all honesty we wouldn't have ever gotten independance from the Brits and beaten off the shackles of colonionalism without help. Of course you full well know that, but it doesn't bolster your attention seeking so you of course chose to omit that fact. Very selective in your memory of history.

I'm well aware that France and Holland helped us, but they didn't do so until we actually started fighting.
1)We sent our protest letters to England.
2)We sent our diplomats to England.
3)We had our protests against England.
4)Then we started fighting for our freedom.
5)Then we got assistance.

Syrians aren't willing to go to step four, so why should they get step five?

Yes but we did all that because we were throwing out a foreign government - this is their own (allbeit illegitimate) government they're fighting! Where do you propose they send diplomats and protestors to?? The diplomats are the government's own folks!

And they have taken to the streets, they don't have the arms to fight because unlike us, they don't actually have a large scale ability to purchase firearms for civillian use. They don't have any way to fight back - what do you propose they do? Go out onto the streets and charging tanks??? You can't be this obtuse, if they could fight themselves they would be, but they can't match the force of the Syrian government that gets a shit load of arms and weapons, missles and shields sold to it by the Russians! And if they did stand up and fight i'm sure you'd just claim that the Syrian government then had justified means to use force as all the folks out there in the streets were terrorists.

I fully support the Government of Syria in its actions.

Russia is making the right decision.


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Originally Posted by Danny

Is there anyone here that supports the Russian position of preventing even a meaningless stupid toothless UN resolution when clearly more action is required to stop the killing?

I support the Russian decision.

I dont support the Revolt.


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There is too much meddling in the domestic affairs of sovereign nations today, that lead to more disorder and chaos, than if you had just left those nations alone to do what they have a right to do.

If there were a revolution here, a violent one involving guns and even military grade weapons, and other nations stuck their noses in our affairs, even with threats of coming to the aid of our rebels, how would that go over here? What, is America sacred or something, of more value than the rest of the world? What gives us the right to be the exception to the rule? Because we say so?

Do unto others and you would have them do unto to your is the best way to address matters of this nature. We cannot destroy all of the evil in the world, it is a hopeless cause. It is a noble cause, no doubt, but impossible to bring to fruition.

So our military should be one based upon defense, and it only responds when we are being directly attacked. If attacked we should go all out, with all americans sacrificing, as we totally destroy the real and actual enemy of america. Tend to our our business, rebuild the nation for the future, placing our money there instead of maintaining an army that can fight two wars at the same time, even invading two weak nations at the same time.

The US is already in dire financial straits, as the cost of being the world's police force has gone a long way in creating the fiscal problems. Let the rest of the world do as it will. That should not be our concern. Then when something like Syria comes up, we just let the best team win that battle. If they ever attack us, we totally destroy them, and let them worry about rebuilding.

Originally Posted by Traveler

During the revolutionary war btw, we also got help, and in all honesty we wouldn't have ever gotten independance from the Brits and beaten off the shackles of colonionalism without help.

The subversives of Syria arent fighting against colonialism. Syria is a soverign State. They are just trying to subvert the government.




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Originally Posted by Danny

No. Stolen elections are not a matter for the security council. Why would you suggest this?

As for the other nations you can read up on what the UN spoke out about. Some cases were more serious than others and more violent than others. Lybia was the gravest and the UN acted. Syria has approached that level where action is needed.

There are no good options here but the most urgent thing would be to get a UN resolution calling for Assad to step down. If that fails then a NATO resolution would suffice and China and Russia can go fuck themselves for allowing massacre upon massacre to happen because they do business with the Assad regime. Expelling diplomats and crippling sanctions would then be in order. If a blockade is required then so be it. I'm sorry but a genocide is unacceptable and NATO has the means to stop it. I would make Russia and China call our bluff and then re-assess as necessary. One way or another that regime needs to go and I think there are a variety of options which (while not favorable and possibly dangerous) are better than the status quo.

Assad should not step down. The subversives should stop causing trouble.


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Originally Posted by Traveler

Go out onto the streets and charging tanks???

This is what it looks like when you're willing to fight and die for Democracy but don't have weapons...
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This is what it looks like when you expect somebody else to fight and die for your democracy...
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Originally Posted by Traveler

And if they did stand up and fight i'm sure you'd just claim that the Syrian government then had justified means to use force as all the folks out there in the streets were terrorists.

And if they did stand and fight at least I wouldn't have the impression that they're a bunch of lazy assholes who want us to do the fighting for them.

So because they don't go out to the slaughter like lambs, in a self fulling prohecy of destruction and death at the hands of their opressors you think that "they're a bunch of lazy assholes"? Unbelievable.

And to your first point, you're actually citing an incident that led to the wholesale slaughter of over 2500 people - is that what you're hoping we see more of in Syria only the Syrian regime has already killed about 6000 of its own folks as it is - even when they fight, they don't stand a chance without our help/outside intervention.

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

This is what it looks like when you're willing to fight and die for Democracy but don't have weapons...
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This is what it looks like when you expect somebody else to fight and die for your democracy...
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And if they did stand and fight at least I wouldn't have the impression that they're a bunch of lazy assholes who want us to do the fighting for them.

Anyone willing to die for dumbocracy deserves their fate.

By the way, the American Revolt was not for dumbocracy. It was a group of Brittish colonialists who set up their own Independent government.



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Originally Posted by Traveler

So because they don't go out to the slaughter like lambs, in a self fulling prohecy of destruction and death at the hands of their opressors you think that "they're a bunch of lazy assholes"? Unbelievable.

And to your first point, you're actually citing an incident that led to the wholesale slaughter of over 2500 people - is that what you're hoping we see more of in Syria only the Syrian regime has already killed about 6000 of its own folks as it is - even when they fight, they don't stand a chance without our help/outside intervention.

I am hoping to see the subversives stop fighting the government so the government can go back to Administring the country.


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Originally Posted by Traveler

So because they don't go out to the slaughter like lambs, in a self fulling prohecy of destruction and death at the hands of their opressors you think that "they're a bunch of lazy assholes"? Unbelievable.

And to your first point, you're actually citing an incident that led to the wholesale slaughter of over 2500 people - is that what you're hoping we see more of in Syria only the Syrian regime has already killed about 6000 of its own folks as it is - even when they fight, they don't stand a chance without our help/outside intervention.

What do we get in return for doing the fighting for them? Are they going to pay off our national debt? How are we going to pay for all this interventionism? Are we to sacrifice our nation for theirs? There's 13 trillion reasons why this is none of our business.