Thread: The path to bin Laden’s death didn’t start with Obama

Originally Posted by goober

When Bin Laden was corned at Tora Bora, Bush held back US forces and outsourced the attack to Afghan warlords who had been with the Taliban a few months earlier before they had been bribed into "Loving Freedom".
Bush was afraid of taking casualties, because of the possible political ramifications.
The delay caused by outsourcing the attack allowed Bin Laden to escape.

If you want to play this game, Clinton had the chance to take Osama out before 9/11 ever happened. Now don't you feel like a dipshit?

Originally Posted by fishjoel

If you want to play this game, Clinton had the chance to take Osama out before 9/11 ever happened. Now don't you feel like a dipshit?

Fish is back and cookin with gas. This hunting Bin Laden game bore a lot of fruit. Lots of defense contractor profits, the Patriot Act, ... there was no reason to catch an "elusive" doddering old man. This guy was less dangerous then a goat herder at the end. Yet magically nobody could find him. Obama had to give the word to kill him. Whats the point of taking out a guy shitting in his diaper, with caretakers spoon feeding him? He still had value for policy makers ... wait any longer its lost. Guess we better go find Humpf al Yickity Yack ah Slacki now.

Originally Posted by michael h

Fish is back and cookin with gas. This hunting Bin Laden game bore a lot of fruit. Lots of defense contractor profits, the Patriot Act, ... there was no reason to catch an "elusive" doddering old man. This guy was less dangerous then a goat herder at the end. Yet magically nobody could find him. Obama had to give the word to kill him. Whats the point of taking out a guy shitting in his diaper, with caretakers spoon feeding him? He still had value for policy makers ... wait any longer its lost. Guess we better go find Humpf al Yickity Yack ah Slacki now.

Hey now...not all is lost. I'm sure we can find more US citizens to kill w/o due process.

Originally Posted by michael h

Fish is back and cookin with gas. This hunting Bin Laden game bore a lot of fruit. Lots of defense contractor profits, the Patriot Act, ... there was no reason to catch an "elusive" doddering old man. This guy was less dangerous then a goat herder at the end. Yet magically nobody could find him. Obama had to give the word to kill him. Whats the point of taking out a guy shitting in his diaper, with caretakers spoon feeding him? He still had value for policy makers ... wait any longer its lost. Guess we better go find Humpf al Yickity Yack ah Slacki now.

Originally Posted by fishjoel

Hey now...not all is lost. I'm sure we can find more US citizens to kill w/o due process.

Whats funny is all the recent releases of collected info supposedly from Bin Laden ... presenting him as lucid. For all we know he was senile, soiling his diaper, being spoon fed by wife #3 in a villa paid for by the CIA. But the game couldn't continue ... the guy would be 102 years old and we would here the search for Bin Laden was narrowing. 102 year old Osama Bin Laden has been killed in a firefight with American forces ...

Bin Laden is replaceable ... we can find another boogeyman.

Originally Posted by michael h

Whats funny is all the recent releases of collected info supposedly from Bin Laden ... presenting him as lucid. For all we know he was senile, soiling his diaper, being spoon fed by wife #3 in a villa paid for by the CIA. But the game couldn't continue ... the guy would be 102 years old and we would here the search for Bin Laden was narrowing. 102 year old Osama Bin Laden has been killed in a firefight with American forces ...

Bin Laden is replaceable ... we can find another boogeyman.

I think they have a better strategy going on now. Don't make the boogeyman one person that can be killed, grow old, or has to be in one place at one time. Just an organization is good enough. We can invent Al-Queda and Al-Shabab into some kind of mythical organization that is strangely able to have some kind of terrorist ties in every country in the entire world. Seriously, these organizations, which are mostly composed of very uneducated people, somehow have a better foreign action arms than the U.S.

Originally Posted by fishjoel

If you want to play this game, Clinton had the chance to take Osama out before 9/11 ever happened. Now don't you feel like a dipshit?

No, I'll leave that to you, falling for that GOP disinformation....

Originally Posted by fishjoel

I think they have a better strategy going on now. Don't make the boogeyman one person that can be killed, grow old, or has to be in one place at one time. Just an organization is good enough. We can invent Al-Queda and Al-Shabab into some kind of mythical organization that is strangely able to have some kind of terrorist ties in every country in the entire world. Seriously, these organizations, which are mostly composed of very uneducated people, somehow have a better foreign action arms than the U.S.

Good point ... I suspect terrorist activity emanating from Syria real soon. I wonder how many tons of extra grain was shipped to N Korea ... to get them to threaten us with their new super duper country destroyer weapon. They got us surrounded on all sides ... time for Patriot Act II.

Do people ever think? We got terrorists flying f#$kin planes around the US killing Americans ... like they are on holiday. We spend trillions and can't figure out where one f$%kin man is. Which end of this is wrong ... I don't know, maybe both are bullshit. But such stories as 9/11 holiday terrorists and the magic disappearing man ... are best left as childrens bed time stories. We may never know.

Assuming government isn't FOS about 9/11 or the invisible man, that makes him a terrorist. So this terrorist kills thousands of our brothers and gets a proper burial, all the while 9/11 victims partial remains are mixed with medical waste and taken to the town dump. I gave my cats and dogs a better burial in my back yard when they expired, then our f%$ken government did for unidentifiable remains.

That's the shit that makes you wonder ... terrorists chillin, hanging out, and taking flight classes ... a cool trillion can't find a senile old man, and we are more worried about the sensibilities of Muslims before our own people. Yah that's the ticket ...

Originally Posted by fishjoel

I think they have a better strategy going on now. Don't make the boogeyman one person that can be killed, grow old, or has to be in one place at one time. Just an organization is good enough. We can invent Al-Queda and Al-Shabab into some kind of mythical organization that is strangely able to have some kind of terrorist ties in every country in the entire world. Seriously, these organizations, which are mostly composed of very uneducated people, somehow have a better foreign action arms than the U.S.

Not making bin Laden a priority was the Bush strategy.

Originally Posted by goober

No, I'll leave that to you, falling for that GOP disinformation....

That's not GOP disinformation. That's a well documented fact that people have known about for years.

Originally Posted by fishjoel

That's not GOP disinformation. That's a well documented fact that people have known about for years.

LOL, Yeah, people fooled by Republican propaganda have "known" about it for years....
Clinton ordered Bin Laden killed.
Bush pulled the FBI off the Bin Laden money trail, at the request of his Saudi friends, it was getting embarrassing for the Saudi Royal family.
On September 10, 2001, the Bush administration asked congress to take 75 million in funds allocated for anti-terrorism (a threat the Bush administration stated was overblown, to take the public's attention off the Lewinsky affair) and to use those funds in the fight against the REAL threat to America, internet porn.

Originally Posted by goober

Look Obama gets big kudos for taking out Bin Laden, Bush backed off when he had the chance (or rather someone in the Bush administration, you may say Bush didn't know that the Delta Team plans were turned down, but what does it say about your administration when a Delta Team says they have a plan to get Bin laden, and it gets killed without reaching the highest levels).
There were all sorts of risks, these things can go wrong. It's not all cut and dried.
When Obama ordered the actions against Somali Pirates, things could have gone wrong, would Romney have taken that chance? There are things in Romney's background that suggest he would have avoided those decisions.
Jimmy Carter made the choice to order action, and things did go wrong.
Bush (or someone acting in his behalf) declined to take that chance.

There is some truth to this, I hate to admit it but if Bush had made Afghanistan the emphasis and took risk on taking Bin Laden out things would be entirely different. Clinton is not off the hook though.

Originally Posted by Sluggo

There is some truth to this, I hate to admit it but if Bush had made Afghanistan the emphasis and took risk on taking Bin Laden out things would be entirely different. Clinton is not off the hook though.

That's just it though; taking out bin Laden, post-9/11, wouldn't have changed anything---from a terrorism standpoint. Which is exactly why Bush didn't make him a priority. Now certainly OBL deserved to be taken out and I'm glad he was, but it only matters from a symbolic standpoint.

We are no safer with bin Laden dead then we were when he was alive.