Thread: Before he spiked the ball, Obama made sure his ass was covered...

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

I think the right are desperate to throw as much at him as possible in order to win this Nov. And this is what drives these accusations. We should be used to it by now, yet some get pulled in anew.

The only thing I am desperate for in November is a viable candidate who isn't going to be the same thing we have now, spending 150% of what we have, year after year, until the economy collapses under the weight of the mind-numbing, unsustainable debt.

I really don't think it's going to make a damn bit of difference who wins in November. Ave bossa nova, similis bossa seneca....

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

I can still recall when McCain stated he would never invade a sovereign nation in order to get a high value terrorist, after Obama said he would indeed do so, which he signed the order to do.

Both Sen. McCain and Sec. Clinton objected to his announcing his intention to invade Pakistan as we need to work with the country and they were right. The same sort of bravado the left criticized Bush for led to really good photo opportunities for the POTUS but further damaged an already frail relationship with an important ally. Had he kept his mouth shut on the issue like everyone else he could have had diplomats insist it was a spur of the moment decision where a delay couldn't be risked and perhaps we would have better strategic relations with the country.

Originally Posted by MattInFla

The only thing I am desperate for in November is a viable candidate who isn't going to be the same thing we have now, spending 150% of what we have, year after year, until the economy collapses under the weight of the mind-numbing, unsustainable debt.

I really don't think it's going to make a damn bit of difference who wins in November. Ave bossa nova, similis bossa seneca....

We have that.

Gary Johnson won the Libertarian Party nomination.

Now the question remains will those opposing expanding government and debt put their money where their mouths are and support him, or will they support one of the two corportist, statist, interventionists representing the two major parties.

Originally Posted by ArmyCowboy

We have that.

Gary Johnson won the Libertarian Party nomination.

Now the question remains will those opposing expanding government and debt put their money where their mouths are and support him, or will they support one of the two corportist, statist, interventionists representing the two major parties.

You missed a key word in my post. Viable.

The way our elections are run, a third party candidate has approximately a 0.3% better chance of winning in November than I have.

Originally Posted by MattInFla

You missed a key word in my post. Viable.

The way our elections are run, a third party candidate has approximately a 0.3% better chance of winning in November than I have.

Then one is just participating in the continuation of the problem, IMO.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

As I do, because it is deserved. I can still recall when McCain stated he would never invade a sovereign nation in order to get a high value terrorist, after Obama said he would indeed do so, which he signed the order to do.

I do not see this as Obama spiking the ball. If he had done that at the time of the killing of OBL, in the situation room, which by the way is what he originally referred to, that would be spiking the ball. Personally, I would have spiked that ball as soon as it was confirmed that Obama signed that risky order. You can bet your ass americans spiked that ball when the news got out. You spike balls as soon as the touchdown is scored, not a year later, in my neck of the woods.

No sir, this accusation from his enemies is weak, contrived and nothing more than a political move. And at the end of the day, Obama whether the right side can bear it or not, did exactly what he said he would do, which is refreshing since I am used to people who run for that high office of making promises they never keep,and never intend of keeping.

I think the right are desperate to throw as much at him as possible in order to win this Nov. And this is what drives these accusations. We should be used to it by now, yet some get pulled in anew.

If there were a viable canidate that would once again put the people of america as being important over that of special interests, I would drop my weak support for Pres. Obama like a hot potato. Yet like so many times, we have to choose who we think is the less danger to the people. So, I will vote for him, and hold my nose as I do so.

I do not want a full blown socialistic state(which we will never have anyways, regardless of the contrived hysteria from the right) but I do not want the current economic trend of the destruction of our middle, piling more and more into poverty either. I know the repubs will continue this trend, while the dems will do nothing to stop it, but perhaps they will not make it even worse. And then perhaps when the average man finally comes to his senses we will have a real leader to arise and win that high office that has the best interest of the majority of this nation as his over riding interest. He will try to build up america, which consists not only of land mass, but of her great majority of average hard working people who just want a chance as they once had to economic security. Most of my life gave this to our people and it has only changed in the last few decades. And I have no doubt this great harmful change was intentional, and was driven by special interests as they chased their own personal greed. Afterall, that is the commonality of what this world has known. It never goes away, and is always there waiting for the opportunity to once again take control. And it has taken control. This isn't just happenstance, it was planned. Sorry, I am way off topic.

Here you go Blue,

Why does President Obama take so much credit for killing Bin Laden? - YouTube

Originally Posted by MattInFla

According to Time magazine, operational control for the Bin Laden mission was handled by Admiral McRaven, with the requisite Washington CYA:



You can bet your last penny that had anything gone wrong, the President would have absolved himself of any and all blame and responsibility.

Presented as yet more evidence that our current President is, contrary to what his fanatical supporters here would have us believe, just a typical politician.

Matt

There's nothing in there supporting that conclusion. If anything, he took the responsibility for the raid over objections of others such as Gates and Biden and took the decision explicitly as his own call. He rightly placed operational control under a qualified military person who was instructed to keep him duly advised of any changes that would affect his risk assessment, which is entirely proper and smart for knowing if anything arises that might affect his decision to conduct the raid.

MEMO FOR THE RECORD Apr. 29, 2011, 10:35 a.m.

Received phone call from Tom Donilon who stated that the President made a decision with regard to AC1 [Abbottabad Compound 1]. The decision is to proceed with the assault. The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven’s hands. The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the President. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration. The direction is to go in and get bin Laden and if he is not there, to get out. Those instructions were conveyed to Admiral McRaven at approximately 10:45 am.

Read more: The Last Days of Osama bin Laden | Swampland | TIME.com

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one, OSB.

I very much view this as Obama not only "spiking the ball" , but also his being willing to do something (rubbing the extremists' noses in Bun Laden's death) that Obama himself said creates a national security risk.

And he chose to do both things, in my honest opinion, for political gain.

Can you imagine Truman blabbin "I Killed Hitler" at the close of WWII?? Yeah, Barry, we all know it was a no accountability decision, you would have shoved it on the Military like Holder threw Fast & Furoius on the AZ ATF.obamacopter.jpg

Originally Posted by MattInFla

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one, OSB.

I very much view this as Obama not only "spiking the ball" , but also his being willing to do something (rubbing the extremists' noses in Bun Laden's death) that Obama himself said creates a national security risk.

And he chose to do both things, in my honest opinion, for political gain.

And most feel exactly the same way.

Originally Posted by Forplay

And most feel exactly the same way.

No, but that's what straight ticket GOP voting Romney backers predictably say, though. Of course, they were hoop hollering about this one:




Of course the mission wasn't accomplished as that fact plus his 'spiking' is conveniently ignored. Here, Obama is taking due credit for actually performing a 'mission accomplished', something that was not accomplished under Bush's watch. That's not spiking a football....that's showing he got his promised delivered and won something for the country. It's declaring he won the match on Osama. He also pointed out fairly and squarely that Monsieur Flippe Floppeur did not want strike in Pakistan against AQ at all. Fair play and fair game for voters to judge that. And you know it too....you just don't like it politically given you prefer Mittens.

Originally Posted by MattInFla

According to Time magazine, operational control for the Bin Laden mission was handled by Admiral McRaven, with the requisite Washington CYA:



You can bet your last penny that had anything gone wrong, the President would have absolved himself of any and all blame and responsibility.

Presented as yet more evidence that our current President is, contrary to what his fanatical supporters here would have us believe, just a typical politician.

Matt

Now projecting your own tendencies on the president is a little bit of a problem.

Although it is a little ballsy to take a description of how Obama managed to end the life of Osama Bin Laden and turn it into partisan vitriol directed at Obama.

We should just duck tape all politicians mouths shut, then let the media speak for them. Well, see here Obama is turning his head this way, he clearly is indicating he is secretly a muslim born in kenya who hates america and wants to turn it into a socialist state. Then Romney turns his head, cheers go up, yes, see, Romney gets it, his statements all indicate he feels the exact same way about everything as I do... I think if Obama kisses a baby there will be journalists and politicians criticizing him for that too! Anyone hear the latest crap about some ex-girlfriend thinking he was sexy... yeah... conspiracy theorize that one!