Thread: Before he spiked the ball, Obama made sure his ass was covered...

Originally Posted by Wagner

Both Sen. McCain and Sec. Clinton objected to his announcing his intention to invade Pakistan as we need to work with the country and they were right. The same sort of bravado the left criticized Bush for led to really good photo opportunities for the POTUS but further damaged an already frail relationship with an important ally. Had he kept his mouth shut on the issue like everyone else he could have had diplomats insist it was a spur of the moment decision where a delay couldn't be risked and perhaps we would have better strategic relations with the country.

Must be great to have the Book of the final authority on how one handles things of this nature. Pakistan cannot be worked with with any degree of certainty involved, they ain't the UK. They are a fragmented nation, and its a roll of the dice with em, and you should know it.

There is no way in hell Pakistani intelligence did not know of OBL location, unless they have no intel at all. Obama was sending a message when he made that statement to Pakistan, letting them know ahead of time exactly what he would do,and once he got the chance, against the advice of his advisors, he signed the OK to let her rip, risking a helluva lot. I admire that. You don't.

Thing is, if we would have known OBL was there and Obama did nothing, you would be on his ass for that!! With many others of your ilk. Pretty transparent in what you say. But who is surprised? Arm chair quarterbacks who's team got their ass whipped.

Originally Posted by chassisman

Can you imagine Truman blabbin "I Killed Hitler" at the close of WWII?? Yeah, Barry, we all know it was a no accountability decision, you would have shoved it on the Military like Holder threw Fast & Furoius on the AZ ATF.Attachment 13035

I can imagine Truman saying he did the right thing after having two nukes dropped on Japan. Does not qualify? Hell the way it is today with the right, they would have tried to impeach truman for allowing those nukes to be used. But our modern pubs are too consumed with dissing Obama, to the point, it makes em stupid, IMO.

I think this hoorah over accusing Obama of spiking is because the pubs are scared shitless the killing of OBL on Obama's watch with him going out on a limb to do so, might hurt Romey's chances. I would even bet on it. I think it is eating some of you guys up and causing great distress.

Originally Posted by MattInFla

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one, OSB.

I very much view this as Obama not only "spiking the ball" , but also his being willing to do something (rubbing the extremists' noses in Bun Laden's death) that Obama himself said creates a national security risk.

And he chose to do both things, in my honest opinion, for political gain.

Why shouldn't he get the credit that's due him or somehow refrain from pointing that out? Is he supposed to just not talk about what he's done and/or Romney's weaknesses on the comparison on such things as Romney's backers would prefer so they can frame their arguments easier?

You're also taking his 'spiking the football' comment out of context, which Romney backers are doing as predicted. That had to do with him commenting on releasing photos of his shot up corpse. He hasn't done that, so why use his comments out of context on him? You're a fairer guy than most ordinarily rather than a partisan flack so why use their twist? And how does this make the US any safer if he doesn't mention the hit on bin Laden and other successes in wiping out AQ's top guys? Seriously...how? They've been dedicated to killing us before most Americans woke up to who the hell they are. Hell, he just whacked a few more the other day who have never quit trying to kill us:

Suspected U.S. drone kills two Yemeni al Qaeda men
Tue, May 1 2012
By Mohammed Mukhashaf

ADEN, Yemen | Sun May 6, 2012 4:37pm EDT . . . Quso, 37, was on the FBI's most-wanted list, with a $5m (£3.1m) reward for information leading to his capture. He was indicted in the US for his role in the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole in the harbour of Aden, Yemen, which killed 17 American sailors and injured 39.

Quso served more than five years in a Yemeni prison for his role in the attack and was released in 2007. He briefly escaped in 2003 but later turned himself in to serve the rest of his sentence.

A text message claiming to be from al-Qaida's media arm confirmed Quso was killed in the strike.

Quso was also one of the most senior al-Qaida leaders publicly linked to the 2009 Christmas airliner attack. He allegedly met the suspected Nigerian bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, in Yemen before he left to make his failed attack over Detroit with a bomb concealed in his underwear.

. . .

Suspected U.S. drone kills two Yemeni al Qaeda men | Reuters

Good job...payback for the USS Cole bombing that killed our guys and the Xmas underpants bomber served. That's what important to me. He keeps doing that collecting AQ deer heads and he gets all the credit from me he wants.

Originally Posted by goober

Now projecting your own tendencies on the president is a little bit of a problem.

You've been projecting your own on the men and women of our armed forces for years...

Originally Posted by MattInFla

Actually, I gave Obama a lot of credit when the raid first happened. Where he's lost me is his recent decision to "spike the ball" for his campaign, reversing his earlier decision to not "spike the ball".

I don't hate the guy, the only thing I truly lament are the otherwise reasonable people who have been so suckered in to the Obama myth that they've given up all pretense of critical thought. Like every politician, he's done some good things and some bad things.

Matt

Like the liberals and progressives who supported Obama in 2008, you're finally realizing Obama says one thing and then does another?

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

Why shouldn't he get the credit that's due him or somehow refrain from pointing that out? Is he supposed to just not talk about what he's done and/or Romney's weaknesses on the comparison on such things as Romney's backers would prefer so they can frame their arguments easier?

You're also taking his 'spiking the football' comment out of context, which Romney backers are doing as predicted. That had to do with him commenting on releasing photos of his shot up corpse. He hasn't done that, so why use his comments out of context on him? You're a fairer guy than most ordinarily rather than a partisan flack so why use their twist? And how does this make the US any safer if he doesn't mention the hit on bin Laden and other successes in wiping out AQ's top guys? Seriously...how? They've been dedicated to killing us before most Americans woke up to who the hell they are. Hell, he just whacked a few more the other day who have never quit trying to kill us:



Suspected U.S. drone kills two Yemeni al Qaeda men | Reuters

Good job...payback for the USS Cole bombing that killed our guys and the Xmas underpants bomber served. That's what important to me. He keeps doing that collecting AQ deer heads and he gets all the credit from me he wants.

I'm sorry, but I think you are using an excessively narrow definition on "spiking the ball". I don't have a issue with the President's prosecution of the battle against terrorism, my issue is with his using it as a cheap political tool.

Bush rightly takes a lot of heat for his "mission accomplished" stunt. But if you read the transcript of that speech, you will notice something. Bush didn't stand there and tell us "I did ... And I did XXX". Read President Obama's speeches and you'll see a big difference.

Matt

Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

Like the liberals and progressives who supported Obama in 2008, you're finally realizing Obama says one thing and then does another?

Oh, good heavens, no. I've known that since well before the 2008 election.

Originally Posted by MattInFla

According to Time magazine, operational control for the Bin Laden mission was handled by Admiral McRaven, with the requisite Washington CYA:

You can bet your last penny that had anything gone wrong, the President would have absolved himself of any and all blame and responsibility.

Presented as yet more evidence that our current President is, contrary to what his fanatical supporters here would have us believe, just a typical politician.

Matt

'Cos Republican presidential candidates have never campaigned on 9/11 and related security issues. I never once recall Bush, Giuliani at al ever mentioning 9/11, Bin Laden etc during their campaigns ...... oh wait, that was the centrepiece of their campaigns!!!

Originally Posted by noahath

'Cos Republican presidential candidates have never campaigned on 9/11 and related security issues. I never once recall Bush, Giuliani at al ever mentioning 9/11, Bin Laden etc during their campaigns ...... oh wait, that was the centrepiece of their campaigns!!!

Two wrongs != right.

But you bring up an interesting point in that many of the people who were so vociferously opposed to those things coming from Bush, Giulliani, et al are clearly not at all upset about Obama doing this.

Originally Posted by MattInFla

Two wrongs != right.

I wasn't saying they were right; I just get cranky when I see a different standard being applied to one side of politics.

Originally Posted by noahath

I wasn't saying they were right; I just get cranky when I see a different standard being applied to one side of politics.

Those acts drew plenty of condemnation. I recall being opposed to the use of 9/11 as a political item. I'm applying the same standard to President Obama.

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

No, but that's what straight ticket GOP voting Romney backers predictably say, though. Of course, they were hoop hollering about this one:

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Of course the mission wasn't accomplished as that fact plus his 'spiking' is conveniently ignored. Here, Obama is taking due credit for actually performing a 'mission accomplished', something that was not accomplished under Bush's watch. That's not spiking a football....that's showing he got his promised delivered and won something for the country. It's declaring he won the match on Osama. He also pointed out fairly and squarely that Monsieur Flippe Floppeur did not want strike in Pakistan against AQ at all. Fair play and fair game for voters to judge that. And you know it too....you just don't like it politically given you prefer Mittens.

What Bush did was as stupid as it gets, when I first saw that on the news i said "that is not going to fly for the American people" nor what Obama did on spiking the ball. Now are you happy. Our troops know it's wrong and so do I. I don't care who it is, when a person uses our troops as a political tool it's dead wrong, and you are dead wrong. Arianna Huffington commented on what Obama has done is "despicable" she gets it and I get it. You don't.

As for the people judging what a politician says what he would do in regards to Iran, N Korea, Israel, Russia, Afghanistan, etc on foreign policies issues, is fair game to judge what they say. That is a far cry from spiking the ball like Obama has done. Did you watch that video I posted. Did you ever wonder why the Navy Seals never come out and beat their chest. I didn't think so

Originally Posted by Forplay

What Bush did was as stupid as it gets, when I first saw that on the news i said "that is not going to fly for the American people" nor what Obama did on spiking the ball. Now are you happy. Our troops know it's wrong and so do I. I don't care who it is, when a person uses our troops as a political tool it's dead wrong, and you are dead wrong. Arianna Huffington commented on what Obama has done is "despicable" she gets it and I get it. You don't.

As for the people judging what a politician says what he would do in regards to Iran, N Korea, Israel, Russia, Afghanistan, etc on foreign policies issues, is fair game to judge what they say. That is a far cry from spiking the ball like Obama has done. Did you watch that video I posted. Did you ever wonder why the Navy Seals never come out and beat their chest. I didn't think so

It didn't seem to bother people who voted him for a second term. The GOP ran on the issue and won it. Now they're whinging because the party has a pussy who is so cowardly about making any decision on national security that might pan out negatively for him personally and playing this game to cover up that fact.

Obama has a right to tell the American people that he gets the job done right and effectively and--unlike him--has the ballsack to do it. It's even necessary for voters to know that and that Romney is weak on this topic as it relates to their personal and national security. That's the GOP machine's self-inflicted problem by inexplicably backing this vain pussy and it shouldn't become the American people's problem by putting that coward in charge of our national defence. If the GOP is citing Arianna Huffington as support, then it has twice the problem. After all the years of Democrats kicking the asses of America's enemies in WWI, WWII, kicking Kim Il Sung back to NorK, fucking up the Viet Cong before wanting to pull out and Nixon keeping us in it whilst promising a 'secret plan' to withdraw, etc, Reagan got the national security issue to the GOP's side. Why it threw it away with this metrosexual flip flopping pussy is befuddling, but it's Obama's to talk about that he fills the trophy case with people killing Americans effectively, and it's what right for him to do and for the nation. As for the troops, you linked an article of GOP guys using their military or ex-military stuff hacking for Romney. That's just propaganda. Nor is he using and abusing the troops for politics as Bush's people did. It's Romney's people spinning this into a false claim of 'using the troops' that's once again abusing them for politics. He's citing his own CIC call on killing bin Laden...his call that he was accountable for no matter how it turned out and his call to cite, and the calls a CIC makes are critical to our national security. As for the video, I'm not sure what video you are referring. I'll look for it.