Thread: Israel / Iran and the USA

Israel has almost 300 warheads ready to go and doesn't want to use them.
Iran's leaders like good food and vagina as much as anybody else and don't want to fry.

Originally Posted by skeptic1

It would have been nice had the Arabs (as squatters some feel) quietly packed their belongings and turned to dust when the land on which they lived was given away but they didn't.

It would have been nicer still if Hitler had never been born to perpetrate the horror he brought to the Jews (and others) but he didn't.

I suppose there are still some Indians around that feel the same way about us.

.........BUT "here we all are"!........

What's done is done !

Many of Israel's enemies have been contained (by one method of another). Perhaps to the same degree we have gained enemies in the process.

Now the drums of war that ebb and flow in intensity are sounding out again because of a fear that the"remaining threat" caused by Iran's wanting to arm themselves in the same way as they is cause for the U.S. to aid them in destroying Iran's capability to do just that.

Here we are hanging on the ropes in a 15 rounder trying to survive ourselves (trying to survive ourselves may be the biggest problem we have) and to even think of involving our selves in yet another conflict is "Ludicrous".

I will leave it there.

The U.S. government tries to camouflage its bondage to Israel as solidarity. Would Iran do, what Israel does, there would have been a war already.
Americans and Europeans do not have to be afraid of Iran, our lifes ar not engangered as long we are not those, who are sent into another attack war.
A Egypt ruled by the Muslim Brotherhood is dangerous, but what could be do against the powerfull Egyptian army? We only can assume that the military would never go into war for the Muslim Brotherhood.

Nobody can fool me about the situation in the ME, I have eyes to see and do not close them.

I have yet for figure why the CIA hasn't put in a Mahdi, but a peaceful one, a sort of Islamic Gandhi, in the area..We are quite good at this sort of psychological warfare, only the Brits are better.

Makes you wonder if maybe there's just no profit in it, but nahh...one faction of rich assholes couldn't be running the world to hell in a handbasket just for short term gain, could they??

I do not believe in the New Testament prophesies. Yet it just seems coincidental to me, eerily so, that that area of the world is in a position today to see the start of perhaps another world war. Wars are irrational things, and the entire situation in the ME is irrational today. It gives one pause, even someone like me.

Russia and China both have national interests in the ME. China has stated their alliance with Iran. China obtains a great deal of its oil from Iran, and like america, china has to have that oil for her growing economy. This indeed presents a dangerous situation.

The bad economic times saw the rise of Hitler and the 2nd world war. Economic times today are terrible, with a good chance of deepening. This adds to the problem, and provides the needed atmosphere for the irrational to once again occur. I think we are living in the most dangerous times since the cuban missle crisis.

I think the world is on a cusp, and each year will see a heightening danger until something horrible erupts. The signs point to it IMO.

Ehhh, wars aren't inherently rational or irrational, nor are they inherently good or bad. That said, I agree Blue Doggy, things seem to be heading towards some.sort of tipping point. I just hope Americans, as a whole, haven't become to soft and weak to weather whatever that point brings.

Originally Posted by ThorHammer

Ehhh, wars aren't inherently rational or irrational, nor are they inherently good or bad. That said, I agree Blue Doggy, things seem to be heading towards some.sort of tipping point. I just hope Americans, as a whole, haven't become to soft and weak to weather whatever that point brings.

Americans are not soft or weak per se but hopefully have become more PRACTICAL !

Just what would the loss of Israel as an Ally mean to us ?

Are they worth sacrificing our young for ?

There is IMO a path for peace for them but it comes with a price they are unwilling to pay.

So be it ! But in supporting their position some may feel the price is to great for us to pay as well.

Iran with the bomb may be the only stabilizing force one could introduce in the Middle East that would cause Israel to come to terms with their enemies.

Crazy ? What the hell do you call what we've been doing for too may years now ?

Americans are tired of being used as "Call Girls" for Pimps.

When the real chips are down we will be the last men standing !

Originally Posted by skeptic1

Americans are not soft or weak per se but hopefully have become more PRACTICAL !

Just what would the loss of Israel as an Ally mean to us ?

Are they worth sacrificing our young for ?

There is IMO a path for peace for them but it comes with a price they are unwilling to pay.

So be it ! But in supporting their position some may feel the price is to great for us to pay as well.

Iran with the bomb may be the only stabilizing force one could introduce in the Middle East that would cause Israel to come to terms with their enemies.

Crazy ? What the hell do you call what we've been doing for too may years now ?

Americans are tired of being used as "Call Girls" for Pimps.

When the real chips are down we will be the last men standing !

The reality is that Islamic terrorism is ocurring in many nations and their rants are as much against the US as against Israel.
I wish the US would get out of the way and allow Israel to lead us into having to explore sources of energy other than oil.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

The reality is that Islamic terrorism is ocurring in many nations and their rants are as much against the US as against Israel.
I wish the US would get out of the way and allow Israel to lead us into having to explore sources of energy other than oil.

We don't need Israel for anything. What do you call what we do with our drones and Al Capone bump offs ? . Israel is an albatross around our neck

China will be "IMO" the leader in EVs and alternative fuels. We are just not built to run an EMPIRE !

Originally Posted by skeptic1

We don't need Israel for anything.

In the 60s and 70s we needed them to test our artilery against that given to the Arabs by the USSR.

In point of fact, our relationship with Israel today is in R&D.
Our relationship with India today is in cheap services.
Our relationship with India today is in cheap widgets.

Many of our nations relationships, if not all, are based on money.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

In the 60s and 70s we needed them to test our artilery against that given to the Arabs by the USSR.

In point of fact, our relationship with Israel today is in R&D.
Our relationship with India today is in cheap services.
Our relationship with India today is in cheap widgets.

Many of our nations relationships, if not all, are based on money.

Let me say this one more time.

IMO; A Jewish Country is dangerous !

A country without Jews is lacking !

Originally Posted by USCitizen

The reality is that Islamic terrorism is ocurring in many nations and their rants are as much against the US as against Israel.
I wish the US would get out of the way and allow Israel to lead us into having to explore sources of energy other than oil.

Their rants against us are more often than not because of our uneven support of Israel.

In the UniteNations (formed to judge and mediate disputes) we have vetoed every single one of their findings that would censure Israel for even obvious infractions.

Yes it is money that rules and it is not the Jewish vote our politicians clamor for it is their Money ! I admire Jewish people for their accomplishments. I do not admire Israel and our complicity for theirs.

Originally Posted by skeptic1

Their rants against us are more often than not because of our uneven support of Israel.

In the UniteNations (formed to judge and mediate disputes) we have vetoed every single one of their findings that would censure Israel for even obvious infractions.

Yes it is money that rules and it is not the Jewish vote our politicians clamor for it is their Money ! I admire Jewish people for their accomplishments. I do not admire Israel and our complicity for theirs.

Let's say Israel disappears tomorrow.
You are convinced that the Arab world becomes immediatley copecetic.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

Let's say Israel disappears tomorrow.
You are convinced that the Arab world becomes immediatley copecetic.

The problem would instantly IMO be simplified. The palestinian tragedy resolved. We would lessen our reputation for being in league with Satan and the squabble reduced to factional differences without our interference. Iran would sell us their oil as well as to China who simultaneously does not want to disrupt their activities within our markets leaving Russia as is (with plenty of oil and no need to gear for war.)

Iran does not want to destroy Israel. If Iran had the bomb's and was on a par with Israel negotiations might produce the same result as above. We have made a spoiled child out of Israel because of our unrestrained support regardless of any circumstances.

When we feel we next have to go to war there will be few left to enjoy our world.