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Old 08-31-2007
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Re: First gay couple legally married in Iowa

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I think America has figured out, though, that another Republican with no real worthwhile experience isn't a good choice.
Who do you think the country would find more of a bad choice, Hillary or a Republican?
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Now you need to offer up who you think would be the wisest choice for the GOP because honestly, I don't see a 'best' choice for them. I'll admit it's still too early for me to weigh in on any candidate wrt who would be the 'best choice'. I still haven't looked at Ron Paul even though I see his name creeping up in some recent threads.

BTW, I do think our next president will be a social liberal, which makes it more likely that I'm looking at a democrat. I need to check up on Bill Richardson and see how's he's doing.
Thompson, maybe. Paul? Not a prayer. McCain's over the edge. The rest I'm just not familiar enough with yet.
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I think America has figured out, though, that another Republican with no real worthwhile experience isn't a good choice.
I knew that back in 2000 which is exactly why I didn't vote for Bush. It's about time you all catch up to what I already figured out

I had asked once upon time if going from Mayor to President was too big of a leap. IIRC, most seemed to think mayor of NYC is different then mayor of anywhere else. It made me wonder if the events of 9/11 elevated the position of mayor of NYC in the minds of people.
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Re: First gay couple legally married in Iowa

Tim;

I don't see it as a "homophobic" issue, but your turn of phrase to tar those that don't feel like you and have other reasons for being anto gay marriage is noted.
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Re: First gay couple legally married in Iowa

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I remembered how embarrassed I was when Texas passed their ban on gay marriage,
It passed by like the second biggest margin of any gay marriage ammendment put on the ballot.

I think it was almost 80% of folk who voted to keep marriage between a man and a woman, pretty amazing majority.
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What does he bring??? Look at hisleadershipe for a start. Not only was he a mayor (of the most difficult city to lead in the country) but he was also a federal prosecutor and a Justice Department official and also not an over zealous one, not am overreaching femmenist prosecutor who went after child support payments and rape victims while forgetting everyone else. He went after Bin Laden before 9-11, and others who were involved in attacks againt the country. He as mayor, cut taxes, he cut crime, he fought terrorism, he brought prosperity to the city. He led right from the front and has shown leadership through his entire career. he is exactly what we need.
Leadership? What leadership? He was a mayor, FFS. He's got no international experience. He's got no national experience. He's got a temper, and lots of personal baggage.

What terrorism did he fight? He was mayor post-911 for 4 months. I think you've bought into a lot of propoganda which will quickly disappear if the GOP makes the mistake of nominating him.
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Thompson, maybe. Paul? Not a prayer. McCain's over the edge. The rest I'm just not familiar enough with yet.
McCain was one i was gonna mention above who could do it without many people finding dirt onhis personal life but he has no support from conservatives and rightly so. Thompson yes but he was a former Senator which rules him out in my book. I was gonna ask the same question (who you thought was a good idea) but i figured you just meant it in context to Rudy not being a good pick.
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It passed by like the second biggest margin of any gay marriage ammendment put on the ballot.

I think it was almost 80% of folk who voted to keep marriage between a man and a woman, pretty amazing majority.
Which is exactly why I was so embarrassed. I'm a social liberal and when that passed by such a large majority I just wanted to cry. It was the first time I felt, politically speaking, Texas is not the place for me.
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I knew that back in 2000 which is exactly why I didn't vote for Bush. It's about time you all catch up to what I already figured out


I'd have cut off a toe with a set of gardening shears before I'd have voted for Bush.

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I had asked once upon time if going from Mayor to President was too big of a leap. IIRC, most seemed to think mayor of NYC is different then mayor of anywhere else. It made me wonder if the events of 9/11 elevated the position of mayor of NYC in the minds of people.
I dunno. I think if the elections were right after 9/11, the story woudl be different. I think most of the US is fairly well sick of how self-important NYC has become, and I don't think that most voters are stupid enough to believe that being mayor of one large city somehow qualifies you to be POTUS.
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Re: First gay couple legally married in Iowa

i hope this doesnt become an agenda in 08

but i am afraid it will....the MAJORITY of americans are for marriage to stay the way it is

if the liberal/gay groups pushing marriage would comprimise with a Civil Union this would be no issue at all......
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Leadership? What leadership? He was a mayor, FFS. He's got no international experience. He's got no national experience. He's got a temper, and lots of personal baggage.
He was mayor of the most populated city in the land, and the most out of control at the time. He has a temper...err you think Hillary doesn't? She's a vicious whore and he comes off a saint in comparison. No international experience? Err he went after terrorists in his time atthe justice department not to mention not one single one of the candidates now running has any international experience, serving in the Senate doesn't count. Maybe Biden as he is the chairmen of the forign relations committee. Anyway how many of any of our presidents have had any international experience???

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What terrorism did he fight? He was mayor post-911 for 4 months. I think you've bought into a lot of propoganda which will quickly disappear if the GOP makes the mistake of nominating him.
He fought terrorism when he was a member of the DoJ and a prosecutor, he specifically went after them. Propeganda my ass. Oh and there was that whole first trade centre attack in 93...
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Re: First gay couple legally married in Iowa

Just a thought, Traveler: you're so jaded that you really can't see it. Personally, I don't like either of them, so I can see them both for what they really are.


Oh, and cite one thing that he did to prevent a terrorist act.
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He fought terrorism when he was a member of the DoJ and a prosecutor, he specifically went after them. Propeganda my ass. Oh and there was that whole first trade centre attack in 93...
Too bad he wasn't mayor then
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Which is exactly why I was so embarrassed. I'm a social liberal and when that passed by such a large majority I just wanted to cry. It was the first time I felt, politically speaking, Texas is not the place for me.
Yeah i was gonna ask, i don't mean it an offensive way but err you seem completely out of touch with the view of the majority of the state...especially not voting for Bush so early on. His support has dwindled a little lately but he's still viewed favorably by a good majority of the state.

The thing that made me say that vote was amazingly successful was not so much the policy but the fact that such a huge (heck we won the election that year based on it) issue would pass with such a huge majority goes to show the truly united view our state has on it. I dunno just my view.
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Re: First gay couple legally married in Iowa

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Tim;

I don't see it as a "homophobic" issue, but your turn of phrase to tar those that don't feel like you and have other reasons for being anto gay marriage is noted.
I really don't see how it can be classified any other way. The argument that homosexuals are somehow "damaging" or "destroying" marriage as indicated by the title of the homophobic regulations against it ("protection" of Marriage act etc) is clearly nonsense. I figure it's just a cover for fear or hatred of homosexuals: homophobia.

Also I couldn't resist the reference to the "homosexual agenda" that I read so much about here.
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