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[Traveler]

Originally Posted by Mod-Anarchist

They are too soft on religion overall. They support laws like the one about inciting religious hatred etc.

I do, however, agree with the LibDems in thinking that we need to give religion the respect it deserves... The difference is that I believe religion deserves no respect at all.

But you do have no objection with anybody else's right to worship though do you?

If you go back to the video I posted, about the BNP, and watch it again you will hear Nick Griffin talking about "selling our views, but not selling out our views", meaning putting their views in a way which will appeal to the maximum amount of people so they can (as we have already discused) get elected to government and then change the British peoples minds through propoganda

Don't all politicians do that? (Say one thing, mean another and frame things are politically acceptable as possible)?

For that matter, what makes you think UKIP aren't gonna do a lot more than what they say when they get into power?

That is an outragous and unfounded statement which flies in the face of solid historical facts.

Not at all. The nonsense of claiming commonwealth immigrants did anything for the support of the war is just appease those who want to apologize for Britain colonializing other countries. They did almost nothing to help.

I dont support UKIPs policy to stop immigration for any period of time. No apology needed.

And yet you're willing to vote for them...(i know your reasonning behind it, but your vote is still gonna help them to get where they need to implement their policies).

As for the "solution on all those folks already in the UK", perhaps you'd prefer the Final Solution? Final Solution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

See this is where you go off on one, as all folks who can't argue issue for issue on anything the BNP support.

It just turns into the usual "you must be a nazi" crap.

That being said, the mass genocide of several million Europeans and Asians in the UK wouldn't bring any tears to my eyes. That's for sure.

I disagree. Along your line of argument you could argue that all those who came here in 1066 should be sent 'back home'.

That was more to do with War and what not. This is a prolongued and continued government policy of diluting the country's blood.

[Mod-Anarchist]

Originally Posted by Traveler

But you do have no objection with anybody else's right to worship though do you?

People can worship whatever they want.

Originally Posted by Traveler

Don't all politicians do that? (Say one thing, mean another and frame things are politically acceptable as possible)?

For that matter, what makes you think UKIP aren't gonna do a lot more than what they say when they get into power?

I would argue that politicans dont tend to take over the BBC and use it to try and brainwash the public into accepting their ideology.
I would argue that what the BNP wants to do is far more dangerous for the people of this country than anything any other party wants to impliment.
I would also argue that the BNP have a lot worse of a record of being caught lying and scheming than UKIP.

Originally Posted by Traveler

Not at all. The nonsense of claiming commonwealth immigrants did anything for the support of the war is just appease those who want to apologize for Britain colonializing other countries. They did almost nothing to help.

World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Traveler

And yet you're willing to vote for them...(i know your reasonning behind it, but your vote is still gonna help them to get where they need to implement their policies).

If I could find a party which I completely agreed with it would be fantastic. But for now, until that party comes into existence, I think I'll consider voting UKIP.

Originally Posted by Traveler

See this is where you go off on one, as all folks who can't argue issue for issue on anything the BNP support.

It just turns into the usual "you must be a nazi" crap.

That being said, the mass genocide of several million Europeans and Asians in the UK wouldn't bring any tears to my eyes. That's for sure.

I was just objecting to the use of your language and overall conviction that these people are somehow the badies.
But your last sentence hardly supports your claim that me posting that link is an unfair thing to do.
And, by the way, I have produced arguments and evidence against what the BNP believe in in other posts on this thread so dont start accusing me of having no arguments, cuz thats just cheeky.

Originally Posted by Traveler

That was more to do with War and what not. This is a prolongued and continued government policy

Oh thats different then! A war is a complete justification while being brought up and living in the only country you've ever known isnt. You've converted me! (note the sarcasm before you get too excited )

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by Mod-Anarchist

People can worship whatever they want.

Good so far.

I would argue that politicans dont tend to take over the BBC and use it to try and brainwash the public into accepting their ideology.
I would argue that what the BNP wants to do is far more dangerous for the people of this country than anything any other party wants to impliment.
I would also argue that the BNP have a lot worse of a record of being caught lying and scheming than UKIP.

Meh, i guess. I don't keep up with it that much. I would generally want to see the charter and license fee scrapped with the BBC and see that "Aunty" stopps with the propoganda it has been at for 50 years...which every government tries to take advantage of.

Thus the Beeb fights back and turns into the most anti-govt entity you will ever see.

Horible vicious circle.

World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


If I could find a party which I completely agreed with it would be fantastic. But for now, until that party comes into existence, I think I'll consider voting UKIP.

Some of this is getting off for another thread, but let's just say you do vote for them. say they turn out to be some Nazi-light crowd too - would you hold yourself accountable for the vote you made in relation what they later do?

Just playing devil's advocate.

I was just objecting to the use of your language and overall conviction that these people are somehow the badies.

Not so much "badies" just don't think they should be in the UK.

But your last sentence hardly supports your claim that me posting that link is an unfair thing to do.

Well 10 million Jews didn't make their way into Germany before hitler started gassing them did they? The comparison isn't comprable given the Asian, carribean, African and European settlers seemed to made their way into the UK, not the UK getting back to colonial times.

And, by the way, I have produced arguments and evidence against what the BNP believe in in other posts on this thread so dont start accusing me of having no arguments, cuz thats just cheeky.

I could have produced a ton of links to the contrary but i'm not really that interested in defending the BNP. We had a bunch of neo-nazi's on the site some time ago; now they are the ones who seem hell bent on defending that sort of agenda.

Oh thats different then! A war is a complete justification while being brought up and living in the only country you've ever known isnt. You've converted me! (note the sarcasm before you get too excited )

Well, in those days when men fought wars they did it to win, they annexed the land, took it as their own, raped and pillaged - like i said above they fought the way that war should be waged. They had every right to settle; if the European/Asian nations did the same then it would be fairly comprable and probably equally just.

Instead its the UK's internal systems they take advantage of and thus when you can't fight the system, folks will take it out on the people who make the most out of it. Just human nature.

[Mod-Anarchist]

Originally Posted by Traveler

say they turn out to be some Nazi-light crowd too - would you hold yourself accountable for the vote you made in relation what they later do?

Hardly a realistic scenario. I could ask you the same question about the Republicans next time they're elected.

And hold my self accountable in what way? I may be partially responsible for being fooled into voting for them but hardly accountable.

Originally Posted by Traveler

Well 10 million Jews didn't make their way into Germany before hitler started gassing them did they? The comparison isn't comprable given the Asian, carribean, African and European settlers seemed to made their way into the UK, not the UK getting back to colonial times.

So, because you think that people who consider themselves British, English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish are in fact not British, English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish you wouldnt mind it if they were the victims of the next holocaust. But this doesnt make you as bad as nazi sympathisers because you consider there to be more of 'them' this time?

Theres making immigration laws tougher (or even stopping immigration altogether like UKIP) and then theres mass genocide or making people go to countries that probably wouldnt even accept most of them anyway because they're not even citizens of that country to begin with.

Originally Posted by Traveler

Well, in those days when men fought wars they did it to win, they annexed the land, took it as their own, raped and pillaged - like i said above they fought the way that war should be waged. They had every right to settle; if the European/Asian nations did the same then it would be fairly comprable and probably equally just.

Just a remarkably strange view that not even the BNP agrees with.

[Donkey_Left]

Mod... I have a very important question for you.

Why are you awake?

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by Mod-Anarchist

Hardly a realistic scenario. I could ask you the same question about the Republicans next time they're elected.

No not really, but then again i'm not moralizing on reasons i wouldn't vote for a party the way you are with the BNP.

And hold my self accountable in what way? I may be partially responsible for being fooled into voting for them but hardly accountable.

Well i'm just wondering why you're so sure they'd be so bad compared to others. I mean they don't even have a track history of anything because they've never been elected to do it in. Where as the other parties, including UKIP on the other hand...

So, because you think that people who consider themselves British, English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish are in fact not British, English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish you wouldnt mind it if they were the victims of the next holocaust. But this doesnt make you as bad as nazi sympathisers because you consider there to be more of 'them' this time?

No, because the Jews didn't mass migrate their way into Germany, Hitler went to them, wherever they were.

Where as in this case, everyone seems to be making thei way into Britain - its like an immigration invasion.

Ayway they only consider themselves to be such because they are born in the country and get that cursed right of citizenship because their parents were let in. (Or grandparents.)

Theres making immigration laws tougher (or even stopping immigration altogether like UKIP) and then theres mass genocide or making people go to countries that probably wouldnt even accept most of them anyway because they're not even citizens of that country to begin with.

Suffering for the sins of their parents i guess. I'm probably not that cruel and doubt i could ever advocate such a policy (i think, haha).

Just a remarkably strange view that not even the BNP agrees with.

Well i don't doubt that i am much further to the right of the BNP...(this must really be luring in new posters who lurk and look at this thread btw).

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by Donkey_Left

Mod... I have a very important question for you.

Why are you awake?

First i thought that was a backhanded sarcastic response to mods why they haven't stopped this thread from turning into what it has!

But yeah i was wondering the same thing - i hope i'm not keeping him up!!

[Donkey_Left]

Originally Posted by Traveler

First i thought that was a backhanded sarcastic response to mods why they haven't stopped this thread from turning into what it has!

But yeah i was wondering the same thing - i hope i'm not keeping him up!!

Heehee. Being up at 2:30 on a Friday night is perfectly acceptable.

Being up at 7:00 am on a Saturday without a damn good excuse is grounds for a severe beating.

[Mod-Anarchist]

Originally Posted by Donkey_Left

Mod... I have a very important question for you.

Why are you awake?

Haha That is a good question. I have got myself into a pretty dodgey sleeping pattern over the last couple of days. And now is pretty much morning so there doesnt seem to be much point in sleeping

Originally Posted by Traveler

Well i'm just wondering why you're so sure they'd be so bad compared to others. I mean they don't even have a track history of anything because they've never been elected to do it in. Where as the other parties, including UKIP on the other hand...

Because I believe that the evidence for the BNPs fascist and racist ideology is so great that its impossible to ignore.

Originally Posted by Traveler

No, because the Jews didn't mass migrate their way into Germany, Hitler went to them, wherever they were.

Where as in this case, everyone seems to be making thei way into Britain - its like an immigration invasion.

Is it? Thanks for telling me. I'll be on the look out for all the immigrants coming over here and trying to take my job and stab my nan.
Also I think you'd prefer a freeze on immigration rather than mass extermination.

Originally Posted by Traveler

Ayway they only consider themselves to be such because they are born in the country and get that cursed right of citizenship because their parents were let in. (Or grandparents.)

I would argue that if someone truely considers themselves to be a certain nationality then they are that nationality. But I would also argue that national borders are both a pointless idea and necessary at the same time... So I'd rather not get into it really

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by Mod-Anarchist

Because I believe that the evidence for the BNPs fascist and racist ideology is so great that its impossible to ignore.

Fair enough. They've just never done anything with it yet...

Is it? Thanks for telling me. I'll be on the look out for all the immigrants coming over here and trying to take my job and stab my nan.

I presumed they already done both.

But let's not get into knife crime in the UK, that's a whole different matter.

Also I think you'd prefer a freeze on immigration rather than mass extermination.

Probably. I think i'm just frustrated having to defend expansionism in visa policy and procedural filings to yellow rose in another thread so i'm lashing out a bit about immigrants here.

I would argue that if someone truely considers themselves to be a certain nationality then they are that nationality. But I would also argue that national borders are both a pointless idea and necessary at the same time... So I'd rather not get into it really

[American1984]

Hi everyone. I guess the best way to tell you about myself is send you to my youtube page. You can get an idea of what I'm about. I'm x11115 and the link is x11115's Channel. I have a lot more intellectually to offer than just that but do to my speaking difficulties I have very bad communication skills and I'm often put down by people that think there intellectually superior to me but do not offer the same content I can offer without getting in these trivial pissing contest. I am an Aries and an outstanding leader. Be careful though Hitler was an Aries and although I'm not like Hitler we are the most powerful leaders. Believe me the Aries male is a powerhouse. Aside from that I have much more to offer than what's presented on youtube or what's even said here to anyone that makes friends with me. I have a wealth of knowledge that I don't just hand over to people because the full extent of my knowledge can be dangerous. I would like to see the world change though and if you read what I wrote on my x11115 profile you will see that I'm serious about it. I know what the problem is and what to do about it. I think the central problem we have in society/ this world and especially the United States is people do things only because it profits them financially and they don't do things for the good of it. So if you think I'm like Hitler hit yourself in the head as hard as you can now! Only when society and everyone around do things for the good of it will the world change. You can't refute this and it's where our society has stopped evolving and I feel failed. When the greed ends the new world begins. Maybe not possible do to human nature but that is what I would like to see. Thanks for reading and your acquaintances. Cordially and as a gentleman,
x11115

[Capt America]

Hi everyone. I'm a soldier in the U.S. Army and am currently stationed in the Republic of Korea. I hope to be home in about a year or so. I look forward to good, fruitful debate. I am a staunch conservative, however the liberal viewpoint fascinates me. Thanks for having me!

[Wallaroo]

Originally Posted by Capt America

Hi everyone. I'm a soldier in the U.S. Army and am currently stationed in the Republic of Korea. I hope to be home in about a year or so. I look forward to good, fruitful debate. I am a staunch conservative, however the liberal viewpoint fascinates me. Thanks for having me!

Make us proud son!

So what are you passing time with, since I dont assume there are much action going on there?

[Wallaroo]

Originally Posted by American1984

Hi everyone. I guess the best way to tell you about myself is send you to my youtube page. You can get an idea of what I'm about. I'm x11115 and the link is x11115's Channel. I have a lot more intellectually to offer than just that but do to my speaking difficulties I have very bad communication skills and I'm often put down by people that think there intellectually superior to me but do not offer the same content I can offer without getting in these trivial pissing contest. I am an Aries and an outstanding leader. Be careful though Hitler was an Aries and although I'm not like Hitler we are the most powerful leaders. Believe me the Aries male is a powerhouse. Aside from that I have much more to offer than what's presented on youtube or what's even said here to anyone that makes friends with me. I have a wealth of knowledge that I don't just hand over to people because the full extent of my knowledge can be dangerous. I would like to see the world change though and if you read what I wrote on my x11115 profile you will see that I'm serious about it. I know what the problem is and what to do about it. I think the central problem we have in society/ this world and especially the United States is people do things only because it profits them financially and they don't do things for the good of it. So if you think I'm like Hitler hit yourself in the head as hard as you can now! Only when society and everyone around do things for the good of it will the world change. You can't refute this and it's where our society has stopped evolving and I feel failed. When the greed ends the new world begins. Maybe not possible do to human nature but that is what I would like to see. Thanks for reading and your acquaintances. Cordially and as a gentleman,
x11115

You should become a socialist/communist - because there ideology does what it can to change peoples selfish nature to what is for the common good.

[Capt America]

Originally Posted by Wallaroo

Make us proud son!

So what are you passing time with, since I dont assume there are much action going on there?

There is actually a lot more action that people realize. The DMZ stays pretty busy. It's one of the more dangerous places in the world. Of course, this doesn't really apply to me, because I'm in intelligence. We do have enough to stay busy, however. As far as passing down time, well, here I am!