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[ViolaLee]

Originally Posted by Wallaroo

Why do you never see the tank drive that protester over in TV? Did it infact drive him over?

I thought the tank did not drive over him. I thought he won that stand off?

[Speakeasy]

Originally Posted by Requin

Hello. For those of you who don't know, Requin is Shark in french. I'm not french, I just happen to like the word.

I live in the USA, about an hour or so south of D.C, so I get a mixture of veiwponints in my hometown, for those of you familiar with the polotics of the area.

My veiws-
Primarily, I like to vote for the Conservatives on Big things and see who i like better on the polls on local and state elections.

I'm a Republican through and through, but im not totally far right wing. I'm always able to use my democratic veiwpoint to win points for the Conservatives, so watch out .

The only things i don't agree with administration-
Abortion - as a more contemporary chrisitian, i beleive life starts when sentience is acheived. Anything else would leave questions about whether animals were human.
Gay marriage-I actually am against gay marriage, BUT i beleive it should be a church decision, not a gov'ts, and that gays should be able to live together, even if i don't approve, and they should have rights appropriate to the level of closeness.

However, the ONE THING i hate most of all, is uneducated discussion. I cannot stand when people say things like "Bush sux!" and i ask them why and they either make a joke cause they can't answer or they say something radically extremist they made off the top of their heads, "Well, cause war is bad."

See my signature, and have a nice day

Welcome, sir. The Empire of Virginia grows! I'm about 10-15 minutes west of DC, so I'm a bit more north than you...

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by Requin

However, the ONE THING i hate most of all, is uneducated discussion. I cannot stand when people say things like "Bush sux!" and i ask them why and they either make a joke cause they can't answer or they say something radically extremist they made off the top of their heads, "Well, cause war is bad."

Oh boy are you gonna meet your fair share of the "Bush sucks" crowd here, mind you some of them can't even string together something like "Well war is bad".

[Requin]

Originally Posted by Traveler

Oh boy are you gonna meet your fair share of the "Bush sucks" crowd here, mind you some of them can't even string together something like "Well war is bad".

I may hate it, but i know i'm going to encounter it everywhere i go, so I try not to let it get to me. I think that most of the people like that don't vote anyway because they aren't that interested in politics, just being the member of a growing anti-bush group.

[jpsartre12]

Originally Posted by Wallaroo

Why do you never see the tank drive that protester over in TV? Did it infact drive him over?

Within the Square itself, there was apparently a debate between those, including Han Dongfang, who wished to withdraw peacefully, and those, including Chai Ling, who wished to stand within the square at the risk of possibly creating a bloodbath. The PRC government has claimed that no one was killed in the square itself, but does not dispute the many casualties in the approaches to the square. The assault on the square began at 5:40AM, as armored personnel carriers and armed troops with fixed bayonets approached from various positions. The APCs rolled over people in the way, on the roads up, and fired ahead and off to the sides, perhaps killing or wounding their own soldiers, as well. An unnamed BBC reporter spoke of "indiscriminate fire" and of at least twenty people mowed down within the square. Students who sought refuge in buses were pulled out by groups of soldiers and beaten with heavy sticks. Even students attempting to leave the square were set upon by soldiers and beaten. Leaders of the protest inside the square, where some had attempted to erect flimsy barricades ahead of the APCs, were said to have "implored" the students not to use weapons, such as Molotov cocktails, against the oncoming soldiers, all this while many students apparently were shouting, "Why are you killing us?" The number of dead and wounded remains a state secret. An unnamed Chinese Red Cross official at the time reported that 2,600 people were killed, and 30,000 injured. Two days later, Yuan Mu, the speaker of the State Council, estimated that 300 soldiers and citizens died, as well as 5,000 soldiers and 2,000 citizens injured, 400 soldiers lost contact. According to universities, 23 students were murdered. Central Committee of the Communist Party of China and State Council later co-claimed that tens of PLA soldiers died and more injured. The Preparatory Committee of Autonomous Associations of Tsinghua University claimed that 4,000 died and 30,000 injured. Chen Xitong, Beijing mayor, reported at 26 days after the event that 36 students, tens of soldiers died amounting to a total of 200 dead, 3,000 civilians and 6,000 soldiers injured.[5] Foreign reporters that witnessed the incident have claimed that at least 3,000 people had died. Some lists of the casualties were created from underground sources with numbers as high as 5,000.[6] In contrast, however, before the government in Beijing had completely re-established control over the news media in China, a monitored English language broadcast from Beijing stated that at least 3,000 students died in the massacre. At the same time, the Chinese Red Cross reported that their count had reached 2,600 - and they still were counting. As both sources, the radio broadcast and the Red Cross report, are impossible to verify given that access to objective information was impossible under martial law, the discrepancy between the lower and higher number of individuals killed still needs to be resolved.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananm...otests_of_1989

Rule #1. Never believe an "official ChioCom source.

[jpsartre12]

Originally Posted by Samantha

But not his personal freedom to join an organization that you (and I) don't agree with?

I'm a Democrat, not a socialist.

Now, we're arguing semantics.

[winter6126]

Within the Square itself, there was apparently a debate between those, including Han Dongfang, who wished to withdraw peacefully, and those, including Chai Ling, who wished to stand within the square at the risk of possibly creating a bloodbath. The PRC government has claimed that no one was killed in the square itself, but does not dispute the many casualties in the approaches to the square. The assault on the square began at 5:40AM, as armored personnel carriers and armed troops with fixed bayonets approached from various positions. The APCs rolled over people in the way, on the roads up, and fired ahead and off to the sides, perhaps killing or wounding their own soldiers, as well. An unnamed BBC reporter spoke of "indiscriminate fire" and of at least twenty people mowed down within the square. Students who sought refuge in buses were pulled out by groups of soldiers and beaten with heavy sticks. Even students attempting to leave the square were set upon by soldiers and beaten. Leaders of the protest inside the square, where some had attempted to erect flimsy barricades ahead of the APCs, were said to have "implored" the students not to use weapons, such as Molotov cocktails, against the oncoming soldiers, all this while many students apparently were shouting, "Why are you killing us?" The number of dead and wounded remains a state secret. An unnamed Chinese Red Cross official at the time reported that 2,600 people were killed, and 30,000 injured. Two days later, Yuan Mu, the speaker of the State Council, estimated that 300 soldiers and citizens died, as well as 5,000 soldiers and 2,000 citizens injured, 400 soldiers lost contact. According to universities, 23 students were murdered. Central Committee of the Communist Party of China and State Council later co-claimed that tens of PLA soldiers died and more injured. The Preparatory Committee of Autonomous Associations of Tsinghua University claimed that 4,000 died and 30,000 injured. Chen Xitong, Beijing mayor, reported at 26 days after the event that 36 students, tens of soldiers died amounting to a total of 200 dead, 3,000 civilians and 6,000 soldiers injured.[5] Foreign reporters that witnessed the incident have claimed that at least 3,000 people had died. Some lists of the casualties were created from underground sources with numbers as high as 5,000.[6] In contrast, however, before the government in Beijing had completely re-established control over the news media in China, a monitored English language broadcast from Beijing stated that at least 3,000 students died in the massacre. At the same time, the Chinese Red Cross reported that their count had reached 2,600 - and they still were counting. As both sources, the radio broadcast and the Red Cross report, are impossible to verify given that access to objective information was impossible under martial law, the discrepancy between the lower and higher number of individuals killed still needs to be resolved.

I like this topic.and i like discuss this with you.
I watched many Video clip about 6,4th,1989,Chinese Government and foreigner shot these video.some are TV news clip,some are document movie clip.

The assault on the square began at 5:40AM,

I think you make a mistake.according to the soldiers and student's article,and China government ,and CN Army(Joined the assault)'s record document,the assault on the square wasn't began at 5:40AM.(PM,or AM,you must clear it).

I remember,6,4th,1989,in many articles said:in that day,when citizen went to his/her company/factory/school..etc.their leader together them and had a meetting,told them again and again:back to home,take care you child,let him stay at home,don't go out.and others of your family,don't leave house,just stay at home.

a CN Army truck brocast message in Tiananmen,asked students and citizen leave Tiananmen.at the same time,in TV,the news play again and again,it said people shouldn't go to Tiananmen in that night.many citizen heard this,left Tiananmen,just 3 or 4 thousand student stay in Tiananmen.

[winter6126]

were there 3 thousand person dead in Tiananmen?student's leader insists his point of view.but a man who was CN officer(escape China,moved to Canada)said:that's impossible many thousand persons dead in Tiananmen.CN's soldier's rifle's magazine has 30 bullet,many thousand soldiers joined the assault,if every soldier shoot students,then not only 3 thousand student dead.he said just a few soldier shot,and some of them shot sky,but not shot student.
here is a link ,but i think you can not read chinese well:
http://fh.rolia.net/f0/c3050/all/post/1221338.html



in this report,the last sentense is mean:

4,10th,1990,Beijing police department report:515 persons dead in 6,4th,1989

[winter6126]

http://fh.rolia.net/f0/c3050/all/post/1220772.html

maybe you interest in it.some articles about student&citizen how to kill soldiers,that site located in Canada.if you can read chinese,visit it,you will realize more.

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by Requin

I may hate it, but i know i'm going to encounter it everywhere i go, so I try not to let it get to me. I think that most of the people like that don't vote anyway because they aren't that interested in politics, just being the member of a growing anti-bush group.

Well if they do vote they certainly don't vote in high enough numbers only they haven't been able to defeat him.

[jpsartre12]

I have started a new thread to discuss the Tiananmen Square Massacre.
Here's the link:

Tiananmen Square Massacre

[whitedove]

Hello, I've been browsing this forum for a while but only recently signed on.

I choose to vote for candidates based on their own merit and don’t belong to any political party.

The many (including non-political) issues discussed here have shown me perspectives I otherwise would not have encountered or considered. I look forward to learning more and maybe adding a little insight of my own along the way.

[jpsartre12]

Originally Posted by whitedove

Hello, I've been browsing this forum for a while but only recently signed on.

I choose to vote for candidates based on their own merit and don’t belong to any political party.

The many (including non-political) issues discussed here have shown me perspectives I otherwise would not have encountered or considered. I look forward to learning more and maybe adding a little insight of my own along the way.

Welcome.

[Diuretic]

Hello

Hopefully this is a well-moderated forum where views can be exchanged without the viciousness so apparent in many other forums I've given up on.

Hopeful,
Australia

[noco_24601]

Hello everyone.
I am 23 years old.I came here for kowning more about my country ~_~
Shall anyone tell me your undersdanding of Korea War?For instance,does anybody could help me getting the US PAPER'S article about the prisoner of war of China?
I am not ChiCom(I've learnt the word for only 5 minutes~_^).

I was curiou that I can see the web.So i am lucky.

If any Chinese see my words,do not ask my QQ number.#_#.It's not safe,right?

At least,i came here for study Eglish.