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Old 01-04-2007
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OBAMA "WHO"
Ask Ted Kennedy:

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MODERATOR: This person asks, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois was elected with over 80 percent of the vote, and over a million of those voters were also President Bush voters. What did Senator Obama do that Senator Kerry and other Democrats not do?

And do you think the Democrats need to move toward the center to recapture the majority position?

And finally, If a Democrat wins the next presidential election, what are the most difficult problems he or she will face in 2008?

KENNEDY: There you go.

Why don't we just ask Osama bin -- Osama Obama -- Obama what -- since he won by such a big amount. Seriously, Senator Obama is really unique and special.
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Oh, Bush's inability to speak like a President should be able to speak is hardly my biggest complaint.

I'm even more concerned about his miserable failures in policy and his clear intention to reward the ultra rich and rape the rest of us. Also, I do feel that the US President should at least be able to deliver an inspiring prepared speech, whether its a eulogy or a state of the union address, and thus far, Bush has been unable to do so.
How many of Bushs speeches have you heard? Hes given quite a lot, and nearly all of them have been flawless. I suppose you could do better? And how is he "raping" the rest of us?
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How many Presidents speech styles have you reviewed?
That isn't the point. Did you bother to even read my quote before responding?
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That isn't the point. Did you bother to even read my quote before responding?
Yes, I addressing your statement:

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Bush is about the most inarticulate President the US has ever had, and probably the first one that can't even string a decent sentence together
Id like to know what research you did to come up with this.
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Id like to know what research you did to come up with this.
I posted a link for you, and a quote too. What more do you want?
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Old 01-04-2007
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Re: President Bush's eulogy

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How many of Bushs speeches have you heard? Hes given quite a lot, and nearly all of them have been flawless. I suppose you could do better? And how is he "raping" the rest of us?
Oh yeah. I've heard all of those flawless speeches too. Those were the same speeches where we saw the green monkeys flying out of his ass at the same time he was delivering his flawless rhetoric, right?
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Welcome Randy.

Nope, you aren't nitpicking. Bush is about the most inarticulate President the US has ever had, and probably the first one that can't even string a decent sentence together.
Not Even Close, Bud.

You forget, there was a time in this nation when leaders were elected for their stated position on the issues, not by who was taller, had better hair, or spoke best in public.

In fact, i dont remember who it was off the top of my head, but one of our Presidents was so uncomfortable with public speaking that he simply didnt.

We've had Presidents who stuttered, who spoke with a lisp, who were dyslexcic, and those who stumbled over lines all the time.

The office of President is not one which should be judged upon public appearance but upon results - THAT is the President's job.

Besides, if all you can focus on with Bush is his public speaking mistakes, then all you're doing is demonstrating your own lack of maturity and insecurity in your own political positions. Give the man credit for one thing - he went out and became President of the United States. What has YOUR worthless ass done?
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Re: President Bush's eulogy

Here are a few examples of President "Flawless" being the idiot that he is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42b4J2HDPv8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSKKBDELcao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etIXH2HE1wQ
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Besides, if all you can focus on with Bush is his public speaking mistakes, then all you're doing is demonstrating your own lack of maturity and insecurity in your own political positions. Give the man credit for one thing - he went out and became President of the United States. What has YOUR worthless ass done?
He "won" a questionable election after failing at almost every attempt in the private sector and being a lameass Texas Governor. He peed his panties in front of schoolkids when we were attacked, then politicized the attacks to create unrelated wars. He's been the biggest failure as President in thhe past 100 years.

You don't think he went out and "won" the Presidency on his own do you? You can honestly believe that?
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No one is denying that he is not the most articulate he could be. What we are debating is that he is the worst ever and that this matters to his job as President, both of which you have been unable to substantiate.
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How many Presidents speech styles have you reviewed?
Well, since I've been listening to presidents (starting with Eisenhower) Bush Jr. is the absolute worst, and the recordings I've heard of Truman and Roosevelt make them sound like Shakespeare by comparison.
Anything that I have ever read that was actually written by a president, going back to Washington, sounds like a person with a superior command of the english language.
Bush is the least literate of all the presidents, and it shows in his job performance.
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Bush claims to have read "three Shakespeares" on one of his vacations this year. If he keeps that pace up, maybe he won't sound like such a total knob all the time
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Not Even Close, Bud.

You forget, there was a time in this nation when leaders were elected for their stated position on the issues, not by who was taller, had better hair, or spoke best in public.

In fact, i dont remember who it was off the top of my head, but one of our Presidents was so uncomfortable with public speaking that he simply didnt.

We've had Presidents who stuttered, who spoke with a lisp, who were dyslexcic, and those who stumbled over lines all the time.

The office of President is not one which should be judged upon public appearance but upon results - THAT is the President's job.

Besides, if all you can focus on with Bush is his public speaking mistakes, then all you're doing is demonstrating your own lack of maturity and insecurity in your own political positions. Give the man credit for one thing - he went out and became President of the United States. What has YOUR worthless ass done?
I feel a President should be able to speak in public, unlike George Bush who quite clearly isn't even fit to speak to a group of primary school students without hemming and hawing and throwing in a few priceless comments.

Further, the elections were biased the second time around.

Last, I noted the personal insult - do you resort to insults when someone points out the truth?
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Re: President Bush's eulogy

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Not Even Close, Bud.

You forget, there was a time in this nation when leaders were elected for their stated position on the issues, not by who was taller, had better hair, or spoke best in public.

In fact, i dont remember who it was off the top of my head, but one of our Presidents was so uncomfortable with public speaking that he simply didnt.

We've had Presidents who stuttered, who spoke with a lisp, who were dyslexcic, and those who stumbled over lines all the time.

The office of President is not one which should be judged upon public appearance but upon results - THAT is the President's job.

Besides, if all you can focus on with Bush is his public speaking mistakes, then all you're doing is demonstrating your own lack of maturity and insecurity in your own political positions. Give the man credit for one thing - he went out and became President of the United States. What has YOUR worthless ass done?
Excellent post.
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Re: President Bush's eulogy

EricOKC, Jviehe

You make excuses for one of the most important characteristics of a national leader. The ability to articulate clearly and concisely is of paramount importance in persuading people. The verbalization of ones' thought processes demonstrates their clarity of thought. In important matters the President muddles about, stumbling, precisely because even though his mouth is moving, his mind doesn't know what it wants to say. He appears confused, unfocused. While he may be quick witted and nimble when making sarcastic comments about the short comings of others, he often becomes a dim witted stumbler when addressing matters of state.
I assume he has sufficient, at least average, intellectual capabilities. Nor do I think he's stupid. But it's clear from watching him that he's intellectually undisciplined and academically unprepared. He struggles aloud, while attempting to string ordinary ideas together. And these are the very thoughts that we the people need to readily and fully understand, and as importantly, believe. After six years of listening, few fail to hear he's clearly in over his head.
The larger implication however is far more disturbing. Even though he was an unskilled speaker, he nonetheless convinced enough people to elect him. His capabilities, however, don't reflect well on those he persuaded. It's one thing to have an unqualified politician here and there throughout out society in a position they are unsuited for; yet it is quite another matter to have a nation, so unskilled in discernment, that they would, with conscious aforethought, choose ineptitude to represent them in the nation's highest office. A nation cannot long endure, when composed of citizens who lack the wisdom to choose well, in those to whom they give their highest trust.
The President does seem to possess one characteristic in spades. He's an exemplary and consummate liar. This also reflects poorly upon us.
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