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Re: Bush is a great President

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Why should we go to war to enforce UN resolutions?
Because those particular resolutions express US national security interests.
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Who told you that crap?
Everyone on earth except for the pitiful, insignificant minority of people like you is fully aware of that FACT.

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Bush never fucking said we were going to invade Iraq simply because there might have been ties between UBL and AQ in the first place. He indicated that it was because Iraq would not comply with the UNSC resolutions.
100% wrong. oh my god

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Granted, there may have been some significant ties, the Iraqis say there was, but that is besides the point.
There wasn't. wake yourself.
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That’s a pretty stupid question, considering the fact that there were, indeed, ties between Saddam and OBL. Throughout the 90’s they both sought each other out for aid and support, they just never came to an operational understanding. Al Qaeda’s loss of their command and control center in Afghanistan along with the international resolve for the sanctions on Iraq waning, especially amid threats of a new invasion, would have helped them come to an accommodation. Don’t forget, Zarqawi was already in Iraq setting up al Qaeda operations before Operation Iraqi Freedom kicked off.
Absolutely false.

Saddam and OBL hated one another. HATED! OBL offered the assistance of Al Qaeda when Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1991 even. Kuwait politely declined. OBL has been quoted referring to Saddam as a "Bad Muslim."

Zarqawi was a nobody, propped up by the US as some real-deal badass. He was a Jordanian thug, wanted in his home country, running from the law all the time. He wasn't Al Qaeda in Iraq until they said he could be Al Qaeda in Iraq.

There was zero Al Qaeda in Iraq until we created a power vacuum in Iraq. We removed all leadership and disbanded the military with no thought of what to do next.
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If you're an oil man, yeah, Bush is a great president.
Or if you're Osama Bin Laden, Bush is a great president.

Or if you're the Taliban, Bush is a great president.

Or if you're the president of Iran, Bush is a great president.

Or if you're Chinese, Bush is a great President.

Or if you're an illegal alien, Bush is a great president.

Or if you're a defense contractor, BUsh is a great president,

Or if you're employed by one of the many new departments in this huge government, BUsh is a great president.

Or if you're a border crossing drug runner, BUsh is a great president.

Or if you're an utterly brain dead fool, incapable of thoughts not placed inside your cranium by Coulter, Hannity, Beck, or Limbaugh, Bush is a great president.
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Re: Bush is a great President

There are good things Bush has done, and there are bad things Bush has done. Unfortunatley the bad outweigh the good.
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Absolutely false.

Saddam and OBL hated one another. HATED! OBL offered the assistance of Al Qaeda when Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1991 even. Kuwait politely declined. OBL has been quoted referring to Saddam as a "Bad Muslim."

Zarqawi was a nobody, propped up by the US as some real-deal badass. He was a Jordanian thug, wanted in his home country, running from the law all the time. He wasn't Al Qaeda in Iraq until they said he could be Al Qaeda in Iraq.

There was zero Al Qaeda in Iraq until we created a power vacuum in Iraq. We removed all leadership and disbanded the military with no thought of what to do next.
I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but the “Just for Fun” section is farther down in the forums directory. That is where you meant to put this post, right?

OBL wanted to depose Saddam before Desert Storm because of his secular views. After Desert Storm, Saddam brought Islam into the government the Iraqi culture as a means of reaching out to terrorist organizations, including al Qaeda. That move was well received. The 9/11 Commission Report states that Saddam and OBL sought each other thru the 90’s, and the newly released report by the Institute for Defense Analysis puts an end to any doubt that radical Islamic terrorist organization were unwilling to work with Saddam.

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Captured documents reveal that the regime was willing to co-opt or support organizations it knew to be part of al Qaeda-as long as that organization's near-term goals supported Saddam's long-term vision.



Islamic Jihad Organization [Egyptian Islamic Jihad] - In a meeting in the Sudan we agreed to renew our relations with the Islamic Jihad Organization in Egypt. Our information on the group is as follows:

- It was established in 1979.

- Its goal is to apply the Islamic shari' a law and establish Islamic rule.

- It is considered one of the most brutal Egyptian organizations. It carried out numerous successful operations, including the assassination of Sadat.

- We have previously met with the organization's representative and we agreed on a plan to carry out commando operations against the Egyptian regime.
http://a.abcnews.com/images/pdf/Pentagon_Report_V1.pdf

If you’re unaware, the Egyptian Islamic Jihad was Zawahiri's old group.


Zarqawi was OBL’s comrade-in-arms in the jihad against the Soviet invasion. He spent the better part of a decade in Afghanistan the first time he went there, then went back and set up terrorist training camp with OBL’s money. You’re right, there’s no connection there; except, maybe, for that loyalty oath he swore to OBL.
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Everyone on earth except for the pitiful, insignificant minority of people like you is fully aware of that FACT.



100% wrong. oh my god



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no, he was right.

Saddam failed to comply to U.N. sanctions.
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no, he was right.

Saddam failed to comply to U.N. sanctions.
I must agree with you on that point.

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Acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations,



“1.Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its obligations under relevant resolutions, including resolution 687 (1991), in particular through Iraq's failure to cooperate with United Nations inspectors and the IAEA, and to complete the actions required under paragraphs 8 to 13 of resolution 687 (1991);

And obviously the UN Security Council also agrees.
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Because those particular resolutions express US national security interests.
If the alleged reason for invading Iraq is that it was in US national security interests, then UN resolutions have no direct bearing on that alleged reason.

If one uses UN resolutions as a reason for invading Iraq and one's "real" reason is US national security interests, then one is being deceptive in citing the UN resolutions as reason.
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If the alleged reason for invading Iraq is that it was in US national security interests, then UN resolutions have no direct bearing on that alleged reason.

If one uses UN resolutions as a reason for invading Iraq and one's "real" reason is US national security interests, then one is being deceptive in citing the UN resolutions as reason.
Since both reasons were cited by the US, there is nothing deceptive about it. Here is proof that both reasons were cited...

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Originally Posted by Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002


SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to--

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.
http://www.c-span.org/resources/pdf/hjres114.pdf
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Or if you're Osama Bin Laden, Bush is a great president.

Or if you're the Taliban, Bush is a great president.

Or if you're the president of Iran, Bush is a great president.

Or if you're Chinese, Bush is a great President.

Or if you're an illegal alien, Bush is a great president.

Or if you're a defense contractor, BUsh is a great president,

Or if you're employed by one of the many new departments in this huge government, BUsh is a great president.

Or if you're a border crossing drug runner, BUsh is a great president.

Or if you're an utterly brain dead fool, incapable of thoughts not placed inside your cranium by Coulter, Hannity, Beck, or Limbaugh, Bush is a great president.
Hmm...the title says it once, you've managed to say "Bush is a great President" enough times to get it close to double figures!

Now try and argue the fact that Dick Cheney is not the single greatest VP in our history...(i find your parrotting amusing so please reply with the same as you did for Bush).
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Re: Bush is a great President

History is not contemporary. We'll all have to wait and see how things pan out in future, (and on a world scale, not just Iraq), before such sweeping statements can be truly verified, for true greatness is rare in politics. Though it is fun to speculate. I quite like him.
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Bush IS a great President. Well, maybe "great" isn't the right word, more like "effective". That may sound weird, coming from a moderate/liberal like me, but he, like Reagan, accomplished nearly everything he and the NeoCon revolution set out to accomplish.

Of course, that's easy to do when the "opposition party" was so emasculated and in such disarray after 9/11 that virtually anything Bush wanted to do, he simply did.

Bush is indeed great in the sense that our nation will never be the same. Shame.
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Bush IS a great President. Well, maybe "great" isn't the right word, more like "effective". That may sound weird, coming from a moderate/liberal like me, but he, like Reagan, accomplished nearly everything he and the NeoCon revolution set out to accomplish.
How exactly was Reagan a NeoCon?
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How exactly was Reagan a NeoCon?
Sorry, bad phrasing.

Bush and the neocons accomplished everything they waited through the Interregnum to enact.

Effective in the same sense that Reagan accomplished virtually everything he wanted as well.
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