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Old 07-09-2007
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HMMMM It appears to me that conservatives are so full of hatred and bitterness that instead of admitting a mistake, they would rather go into a rant about liberals.
1. I do believe you were the first one to go into a "rant".
2. I did not make a mistake, from your own source, the constitution
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Clause 5: Qualifications for office
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
By the time of their inauguration, the President and Vice President must be:

natural born citizens (or citizens at the time of the Constitution's adoption)
at least thirty-five years old
inhabitants for at least fourteen years of the United States.
I bolded the most important part which is that it describes the eligibility requirements and not the qualifications necessary to be president.

Just admit it, you were caught talking shit with out knowing the materials in which you are using as your evidence.
Which can be plainly seen in your previous post. But then again you will probably not admit to being wrong and not apologies for your incorrect assumptions about the extent of my ignorance. So why do I bother?!!
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I don't think any of the former presidents has ever had the proper qualifications to hold the position
Then by your own twisted logic there are no qualifications to be president.
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Is this satire?

Even if its not ... lol!
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Then by your own twisted logic there are no qualifications to be president.
What??!! no apologies, I'm shocked....... no not really
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The President is quite simply not qualified to occupy the position of the most powerful person on earth; (power being measured in the more conventional Western sense as a function of economic and military supremacy or dominion.)
If we are to confer upon a single individual or small group of individuals the power of gods, we must be certain that those gods are truly wise. If they are not, then they do not belong.
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I don't think any of the former presidents has ever had the proper qualifications to hold the position
I tend to agree. A democracy can only relinquish so much power to a single individual (or small group of individuals relative to the size of the overall population) before it becomes vulnerable to inadequate representation and an unacceptable level of inegalitarianism. Throw in the advent of nuclear weapons (for example), and we've got ourselves a real party.
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I don't think there's been a worse two-term President than this one. The debt has gone through the roof, Americans still pay more in deductibles and premiums for their health care than say Canadians do in taxes, Bush has been singlehandedly responsible for defying the no nation building stance of the Republican Party, and also has abandoned that libertarian streak in conservatives to stay out of people's lives with the illegal wiretapping. He's torn up invaluable treaties and policies ranging from the ABM treaty with Russia, to the agreement with North Korea, and Kyoto. Money has been delivered wholesale from poor and middle class Americans to the wealthiest, while rich companies still collect state welfare. The policy on Cuba is outdated and stupid. The conservative stance on why "socialized" medicine is wrong doesn't make any sense, logically or business wise, unless you see that the bottom line is to make sure that wealthy donors get their money's worth.

I don't think America has been in a worse state in my life-I'm 31. You're stuck in a shamefully tragic situation in Iraq with some people using faith and wishful thinking and sentimentality over logic and reason and facts. Bush fumbled the ball in the Israeli/Palestinian issue by not doing anything when he immediately came to power. Didn't continue Clinton's good work, simply eschewed it. Now the Middle East is all fired up, you've lost the goodwill of your closest allies after receiving the most sympathy ever both after 9/11 and Katrina. Don't even get me started on Bush's fumbling of Katrina. Yes, it took a complete breakdown for all the shit that happened there, but when you have an involved and engaged president like Clinton, government can do good work. Bush's philosophy is that government sucks, so he got elected and has proved that theory over and over again.

At first I was fooled and thought that Bush would cruise as president. Not rock the boat, just as he promised, come up the middle on most issues, bring people together like in Texas. Instead, he got elected and has lead like a dictator or a king. He is stubborn in a really special kind of retarded way where he seems to feel that denial is a moral value. He's proud of his stubbornness; he mistakes it for leadership. Some have felt Bush is the devil, an evil man with evil friends. But that's not the case. They're simply businessmen who only know about making huge profits. I'm sure Bush "cares" about people, it's just that he doesn't seem to know that actions speak louder than words. Now the country is stuck in a mess of a war that most of it's citizens don't even really comprehend. Many Americans are so lulled and lazy that they probably can't even find Iraq on a map. That's the strange thing with American right now; the country is supposed to be at war, but everybody is watching tv and getting fat, while many of the rest don't understand the complexities of the nation they've invaded. Nearly half of Americans still believe that Saddam was responsible for 9/11, and that says something about the psyche of the country, how Americans simply just believe whatever is forcefed to them. Part of that is the citizenry, part of it their leaders, for lulling them in to sleepytime instead of challenging them.
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Jason, you've massively understated the case. . .
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Carter showed us that tax cuts and war are two things that every future president should avoid?

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O my God, Carter was brilliant and a superb President compared to this disaster. Carter gave us the Camp David accord and Israel and Egypt have been at peace ever since. Bush gave us Iraq, a much more powerful Iran, the Hezbollah and a middle East in turmoil.
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Carter showed us that tax cuts and war are two things that every future president should avoid?

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Those two things sure as hell dont go hand in hand.
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O my God, Carter was brilliant and a superb President compared to this disaster. Carter gave us the Camp David accord and Israel and Egypt have been at peace ever since. Bush gave us Iraq, a much more powerful Iran, the Hezbollah and a middle East in turmoil.
Carter was merely a failure; Bush is closer to a disaster.
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i cant shake the idea that a war on terror, meant to stop death (terrorism), has caused even more death.
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Bush has single handedly defeated the Taliban and Saddam, bringing democracy to two formally oppressed and terrorist supporting nations, Afganistan and Iraq.

Bush has lifted the economy to new heights of prosperity from the depths of the Clinton recession.

Bush has fixed the US education system through NCLB.

Bush has brought fairness to our tax codes, lowered taxes, and has had deficit reductions for each of the last several years; deficits whose origin can be laid solely at the incompetant leadership of Clinton.

Bush has restored honor and dignity to the White House, and has garnered the respect and admiration of foreign nations.

Bush prevented the deaths of thousands in New Orleans despite the best efforts of the local dems to kill.

The list of accomplishments is too long for me to take the time to expound further.

A great president indeed.
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Bush has single handedly defeated the Taliban and Saddam, bringing democracy to two formally oppressed and terrorist supporting nations, Afganistan and Iraq.

Bush has lifted the economy to new heights of prosperity from the depths of the Clinton recession.

Bush has fixed the US education system through NCLB.

Bush has brought fairness to our tax codes, lowered taxes, and has had deficit reductions for each of the last several years; deficits whose origin can be laid solely at the incompetant leadership of Clinton.

Bush has restored honor and dignity to the White House, and has garnered the respect and admiration of foreign nations.

Bush prevented the deaths of thousands in New Orleans despite the best efforts of the local dems to kill.

The list of accomplishments is too long for me to take the time to expound further.

A great president indeed.


Sadly, those statements accurately represent the beliefs of some of those on this forum.
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Carter showed us that tax cuts and war are two things that every future president should avoid?

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Carter's mistakes weren't memorable enough for bush NOT to repeat them. The Main difference here is - bush will be remembered for the most catastrophic mistakes in our history.
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I don't think any of the former presidents has ever had the proper qualifications to hold the position
Well, as long as you're dialing somebody because of his demagogic qualities and not because of his objective ones this is the normal conclusion.
Please don't take that as an allegation, this is quite normal for a democracy, a President can only be as good as the citizens can resist demagogic and think on there own. Depending on this the current politicians gave us an interesting insight in the mental suggestibility of the most people.
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