Originally Posted by Impugn

Whether or not one regards a United States President as "great" will depend on the criteria used. What those criteria are is subjective.

For example, one may regard President William J. Clinton as a "great" president if any of these criteria are used to determine "great."

1. Has first name, "William."
2. Has middle initial "J."
3. Has last name, "Clinton."
4. Was a state governor prior to becoming President
5. Has a brother who is also an absolute train wreck of a convicted felon who required a Presidential pardon from his brother.
6. Has mother named, "Virginia."
7. Is a parent.

Seems to me that, upon direct comparison, utilizing the parameters you set forth, GWB should be considered, at the very least, vastly superior to Clinton by anyone with anything resembling a logical mind.

In my analysis, I'd say the separating factor is definitely, um, #5 and the differences between a drug abusing, alcoholic felon and a successful and popular state governor are, well, stark.

Not that this outcome is anything terribly surprising to me, of course.

Always glad to meet another GWB fan! . Welcome aboard!

Originally Posted by Americano

Imagining Bush as superior to anyone as president is beyond reality unless his actions as president greatly enriched the admirer. That eliminates about 95% of the US public as admirers, including those who don't understand fiscal reality. No White House or Fed economic fairy tale dogma, please.

Originally Posted by Rhys

What has he accomplished, other than trashing the Constitution trying to turn the office of Presidency into the office of Dictator? He makes Nixon's "Imperial Presidency" look tame.
Bin Laden is still running around loose and we are tied down in a futile war in Iraq that is sapping our military and making it impossible to respond to real crisis elsewhere.
While employment is up, living standards are sinking fast. We are running record deficits and the dollar has been devalued into near uselessness. Multinational corporations are jerking the public around, dictating government policies, and manipulating everything with impunity.
As a "great president", I would rank Bush right alongside Richard Nixon.

Originally Posted by Steerpike

Imagination is not bound to either reality or logic.

Originally Posted by Rhys

What has he accomplished, other than trashing the Constitution trying to turn the office of Presidency into the office of Dictator? He makes Nixon's "Imperial Presidency" look tame.
Bin Laden is still running around loose and we are tied down in a futile war in Iraq that is sapping our military and making it impossible to respond to real crisis elsewhere.
While employment is up, living standards are sinking fast. We are running record deficits and the dollar has been devalued into near uselessness. Multinational corporations are jerking the public around, dictating government policies, and manipulating everything with impunity.
As a "great president", I would rank Bush right alongside Richard Nixon.

Originally Posted by Steerpike

You say that President Bush "should be considered, at the very least, vastly superior to Clinton" based on the criteria listed. The criteria listed have absolutely nothing to do with individual job performance in the office of President of the United States.

Originally Posted by Si modo

Gotta bump...bump wars with the whitey threads.

Oh, yeah...Bush IS a great president.

Originally Posted by gem

Quoting Traveler, post #8:



Have you ever heard the saying "You can win the battle but lose the war", Traveler?
Even our own military officials are concerned about the lack of political progress in Iraq, and the resurgence of the Taliban in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. I'm sure you've seen or heard those concerns being expressed by our military officials in the news lately, haven't you? I'm sure you'll demand links to back up those facts but I've been working all night and I'm tired so I'll let someone else take care of that if they desire to do so. I really don't feel the need to provide proof of the obvious to you.

Gem

Originally Posted by Rakkasan

dont count your chickens yet gem

the war isnt over so you havent won...by that we havent lost

Originally Posted by Americano

I notice you're still supporting the deaths of even more of your military friends and Iraqis for obviously nothing but special interest purposes, how do you continue rationalizing that mindset?

Originally Posted by Rakkasan

I suppport the policy caus I dont hate america ,I dont want failure in any war like you do americano,I want to support the soldiers not turn my back on them like people like you

And BTW my friends are over there doing the good work cause they want to , and think people like you are pretty useless


Now to my special interest they are to keep terrorists out of the country, also to make iraq a stable country or atleast one that can stand on its feet .

your special interest is more evil in my view. VOTE garnering for a party who has acted like a spoiled brat since 2000

doing an excellent PR campaign for our enemies abroad is another special interest of people like you.

So in the end americano you dont get it nor ever will so hide behind your computer and do nothing , strong men of honor and charachter will do the work for people like you