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Bush is a great President

I've been criticizing Bush for a long time.

However, in actuality, it appears the net effect of many his policies have actually been positive.

Here are some of the positive effects of Bush's policies. . .

1) Iran has become more powerful.

Iran's Influence Growing In Iraq

That's right. Prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Iran had nary an influence there, since Saddam brutally oppressed all the Shiites.

But now, with Iran's new influence among Iraqi Shiites, the US govt.'s ability to reign in Iraq w/the threat of force has been sharply reduced, since Iran can now foment massive uprisings against US troops in Iraq to retaliate, and the increased US-troop death toll from that would be enough to derail any Presidency (including the next Pres Hillary, who has said she will not withdraw all US troops from Iraq)

2) The US opened talks with Iran for the first time in 27 years.

That's right, before Bush, the US totally isolated Iran. But Bush put a stop to that, broke the ice, and decided to open lines of communications to Iran. . .

U.S., Iran to hold first formal talks in 27 years - CNN.com

3) US aid to the Palestinians, i. e. Fatah, the party formerly led by PLO-resistance leader and terrorist Yasser Arafat, has resumed.

Resumption of U.S. aid to Palestinians leaves some lawmakers uneasy - International Herald Tribune

Of course, some pro-Israeli govt. "lawmakers are uneasy" (a certain CT senator comes to mind), but the Palestinians desperately need aid to stay on top of their #1 threat, Israel.

Money to Palestinian fighters is always a good thing.

4) Amnesty will be granted to 8 million illegal aliens.

CNN.com - Bush calls for changes on illegal workers - Jan. 8, 2004

No doubt the cherry on top of all the Bush administration's efforts. Now all the hard-working illegal immigrants who work here can take part in the American dream without the fear of being deported. And, to state the obvious, keeping hard-working ambitious people in this country is always a good thing.

5) GOP majority in Congress has been destroyed.

Thought I'd save this for the last. When Bush entered office, the GOP had solid majorities in both Houses. And in 2006, primarily due to discontent with the war, the Dems control both.

Of course, the Dems and Repubs are very nearly the same thing.

Still, they say the Dems will take stronger measures on the environment and enact less industry-clouted health care laws. We can hope now, can't we?

Let's all give Bush a hand for these 5 wonderful accomplishments!
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The President is quite simply not qualified to occupy the position of the most powerful person on earth; (power being measured in the more conventional Western sense as a function of economic and military supremacy or dominion.)
If we are to confer upon a single individual or small group of individuals the power of gods, we must be certain that those gods are truly wise. If they are not, then they do not belong.
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Re: Bush is a great President

I think Bush is the perfect bookend for the Clinton years, that 8 year glowing beacon of Peace and Prosperity, sandwiched between the disasters of the Bush Presidencies.
He has shown that tax cuts raise debt, not revenue, that war leads to death and violence, not peace.
And he has taken a super power, and lead it to defeat against the weakest forces on the planet.

The Worst President in History has shown that Tax cuts and war are two things that every future president should try to steer clear of, at least we owe him that. Now let's turn him over to the people of Falujah where he can be tried as a war criminal.
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Re: Bush is a great President

Carter showed us that tax cuts and war are two things that every future president should avoid?

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Re: Bush is a great President

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Carter showed us that tax cuts and war are two things that every future president should avoid?

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Carter did demonstrate the folly of cutting funding of Special Forces in the post-Vietnam era.
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Re: Bush is a great President

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I've been criticizing Bush for a long time.

However, in actuality, it appears the net effect of many his policies have actually been positive.

Here are some of the positive effects of Bush's policies. . .

1) Iran has become more powerful.

Iran's Influence Growing In Iraq

That's right. Prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Iran had nary an influence there, since Saddam brutally oppressed all the Shiites.

But now, with Iran's new influence among Iraqi Shiites, the US govt.'s ability to reign in Iraq w/the threat of force has been sharply reduced, since Iran can now foment massive uprisings against US troops in Iraq to retaliate, and the increased US-troop death toll from that would be enough to derail any Presidency (including the next Pres Hillary, who has said she will not withdraw all US troops from Iraq)

2) The US opened talks with Iran for the first time in 27 years.

That's right, before Bush, the US totally isolated Iran. But Bush put a stop to that, broke the ice, and decided to open lines of communications to Iran. . .

U.S., Iran to hold first formal talks in 27 years - CNN.com

3) US aid to the Palestinians, i. e. Fatah, the party formerly led by PLO-resistance leader and terrorist Yasser Arafat, has resumed.

Resumption of U.S. aid to Palestinians leaves some lawmakers uneasy - International Herald Tribune

Of course, some pro-Israeli govt. "lawmakers are uneasy" (a certain CT senator comes to mind), but the Palestinians desperately need aid to stay on top of their #1 threat, Israel.

Money to Palestinian fighters is always a good thing.

4) Amnesty will be granted to 8 million illegal aliens.

CNN.com - Bush calls for changes on illegal workers - Jan. 8, 2004

No doubt the cherry on top of all the Bush administration's efforts. Now all the hard-working illegal immigrants who work here can take part in the American dream without the fear of being deported. And, to state the obvious, keeping hard-working ambitious people in this country is always a good thing.

5) GOP majority in Congress has been destroyed.

Thought I'd save this for the last. When Bush entered office, the GOP had solid majorities in both Houses. And in 2006, primarily due to discontent with the war, the Dems control both.

Of course, the Dems and Repubs are very nearly the same thing.

Still, they say the Dems will take stronger measures on the environment and enact less industry-clouted health care laws. We can hope now, can't we?

Let's all give Bush a hand for these 5 wonderful accomplishments!
How in the hell is Iran becoming more powerful a good thing? Amnesty isn't good either, nor is aiding Palestinian terrorist organizations... Are you being sarcastic? 'Cus it's kind of hard to tell online...
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Carter showed us that tax cuts and war are two things that every future president should avoid?
You know until this President came along i think Carter did more for the GOP than anyone, everyone says Reagan was the most unifying Republican in history but it was only thanks to Carter he cruised to such a huge victory imo.
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I think Bush is the perfect bookend for the Clinton years, that 8 year glowing beacon of Peace and Prosperity, sandwiched between the disasters of the Bush Presidencies.
Tell me something, if you think that's the case, why in 28 years have Dems only spent the 8 in office? Do you thinkwe're all idiots tokeep voting for people who are disasters?

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He has shown that tax cuts raise debt, not revenue, that war leads to death and violence, not peace.
Really? Only our economy is greater than ever and war always has death and casualties, it brings peace afterwards.

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And he has taken a super power, and lead it to defeat against the weakest forces on the planet.
Who the fuck have we lost to? Bush led to us to the single greatest boots on the ground military invasion in history, 17 days it took us to take Bagdad.

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The Worst President in History has shown that Tax cuts and war are two things that every future president should try to steer clear of, at least we owe him that. Now let's turn him over to the people of Falujah where he can be tried as a war criminal.
You know Clinton bombed Iraq but i'm sure if we handed him over to the Iraqi's or maybe some aspirin factory employees they'd just hand him back to us, its more torturous to have him here for us and that way we pay more by having to read through stuff like you've just posted Goober.
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The President is quite simply not qualified to occupy the position of the most powerful person on earth; (power being measured in the more conventional Western sense as a function of economic and military supremacy or dominion.)
If we are to confer upon a single individual or small group of individuals the power of gods, we must be certain that those gods are truly wise. If they are not, then they do not belong.
I don't think any of the former presidents has ever had the proper qualifications to hold the position
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I think Bush is the perfect bookend for the Clinton years, that 8 year glowing beacon of Peace and Prosperity, sandwiched between the disasters of the Bush Presidencies.
He has shown that tax cuts raise debt, not revenue, that war leads to death and violence, not peace.
And he has taken a super power, and lead it to defeat against the weakest forces on the planet.

The Worst President in History has shown that Tax cuts and war are two things that every future president should try to steer clear of, at least we owe him that. Now let's turn him over to the people of Falujah where he can be tried as a war criminal.
there is not a single shred of truth in this statement
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I don't think any of the former presidents has ever had the proper qualifications to hold the position

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No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Wow so we've never elected a natural born citizen of the U.S. who was 35 years old and a resident of the U.S. for at least 14 years? Constitutionalist scholars will be shocked at this revelation.
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I think every president we've had has been a U.S. citizen at least 35 years of age. Why are conservatives so ignorant of the Constitution?
I know the Constitution quite well thank you. By your standard then a person who is clinically insane could be president and qualified.
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Wow so we've never elected a natural born citizen of the U.S. who was 35 years old and a resident of the U.S. for at least 14 years? Constitutionalist scholars will be shocked at this revelation.
those are qualifications to run for president. in other words those are things you have to be to apply for the job and not necessarily the end all and be all Of the required qualifications.

Why are liberals so ignorant of reading comprehension?
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those are qualifications to run for president. in other words those are things you have to be to apply for the job and not necessarily the end all and be all Of the required qualifications.

Why are liberals so ignorant of reading comprehension?

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Clause 5: Qualifications for office
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
By the time of their inauguration, the President and Vice President must be:

natural born citizens (or citizens at the time of the Constitution's adoption)
at least thirty-five years old
inhabitants for at least fourteen years of the United States.
HMMMM It appears to me that conservatives are so full of hatred and bitterness that instead of admitting a mistake, they would rather go into a rant about liberals.
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...Only our economy is greater than ever...
Uh.. bullshit.
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