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Exec Priv claimed on Tillman documents

So that patriotic fable was created in the Oval office.....gag

Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) revealed on Friday afternoon that the White House and Pentagon were holding up a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee investigation into the friendly fire death of former professional football player and Army Corporal Patrick Tillman. "[T]he Committee wrote to White House Counsel Fred Fielding seeking 'all documents received or generated by any official in the Executive Office of the President' relating to Corporal Tillman's death," noted a press release from the Committee.

But the White House has apparently again invoked its executive privilege to hold up the documents sought by Waxman and Ranking Minority member Tom Davis (R-VA). "The White House Counsel's office responded that it would not provide the Committee with documents that 'implicate Executive Branch confidentiality interests' and produced only two communications with the officials in the Defense Department, one of which was a package of news clippings," the Committe noted. "The response of the Defense Department to the Committee's inquiry was also deficient."

In their letter to Fielding, Waxman and Davis doubted that the two documents were the limits of White House-Pentagon communication over Tillman's death. "It is difficult to believe that these are the only communications that White House officials had with the Department of Defense between April 22,2004, the day Corporal Tillman died, and May 29, 2004, the day the Bush Administration publicly announced that Corporal Tillman's death was a result of fratricide," they wrote.
They also explained what they believed was at stake in this probe. "These questions have implications for the credibility of the information coming from the battlefields in Iraq and Afghanistan and raise significant policy issues about how to prevent the future dissemination of untrue information," Waxman and Davis wrote to Fielding. "They also have a profound personal impact on the Tillman family. It is for these reasons that the Committee requested documents from the White House." The Committee said that it expected a response to the Friday letter by July 25. Waxman also scheduled an additional hearing on the announcement of Tillman's death for Aug. 1.
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Old 07-14-2007
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Re: Exec Priv claimed on Tillman documents

The truly amazing thing is that as you peel away the layers of this administration, exposing layer after layer of the corrupt, power hungry greed that motivated there every move, their delusional supporters circle the wagons and cling tighter to there moronic creed that these people were sent by God to lead America down the righteous path.
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Re: Exec Priv claimed on Tillman documents

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The truly amazing thing is that as you peel away the layers of this administration, exposing layer after layer of the corrupt, power hungry greed that motivated there every move, their delusional supporters circle the wagons and cling tighter to there moronic creed that these people were sent by God to lead America down the righteous path.

Ah, but there is a huge, sophisticated media machine out there - feeding them lies and justifications. Capitalism as religion/govt - with no checks on whether the profit motive is overinding the common good, let alone ethics and morality. A lot of money is being made on this disaster. A good Pat Tillman fable can rally the public - so let's create a good Tillman fable - and if we are caught, no worries.

So frickin scary!!
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Re: Exec Priv claimed on Tillman documents

Well now it's obvious what really happened. Somebody in the administration ordered that Tillman be assassinated so that he could be made out to be a hero.
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Well now it's obvious what really happened. Somebody in the administration ordered that Tillman be assassinated so that he could be made out to be a hero.

I doubt the assassination part - just that the cover-up of how he died reached a lot higher than previously thought. Making Tillman a hero was more important then telling his family the truth.
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The truly amazing thing is that as you peel away the layers of this administration, exposing layer after layer of the corrupt, power hungry greed that motivated there every move, their delusional supporters circle the wagons and cling tighter to there moronic creed that these people were sent by God to lead America down the righteous path.
are you talking about the clinton administration or bush? name one that isnt what you just whined about????
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are you talking about the clinton administration or bush? name one that isnt what you just whined about????
I served from 71 to 96. Every Administration did some pretty stupid things. However the Admin that followed would sometimes make the same mistakes.
Remember " BRAC " that was IMO a stupid move, that went on thru 3 Admins.
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Well now it's obvious what really happened. Somebody in the administration ordered that Tillman be assassinated so that he could be made out to be a hero.
uhm.....care to share any proof you may have to back up that assertion?
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Well now it's obvious what really happened. Somebody in the administration ordered that Tillman be assassinated so that he could be made out to be a hero.
Do you have a source for this steaming load of nonsense, or is this another invention of your like the "Watada secretly executed" claim?

BTW - it seems that Watada was alive and well on 9 June at his pre-trial hearing: http://www.couragetoresist.org/x/content/view/326/39/

And again, we see that AjaxPress is merely a source for fiction, an inventor of silly stories.

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are you talking about the clinton administration or bush? name one that isnt what you just whined about????
really, if you can't figure that out, maybe you are wasting your time here in a political forum.
Maybe you should be over on U-Tube, watching cats play the piano.
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Re: Exec Priv claimed on Tillman documents

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The truly amazing thing is that as you peel away the layers of this administration, exposing layer after layer of the corrupt, power hungry greed that motivated there every move, their delusional supporters circle the wagons and cling tighter to there moronic creed that these people were sent by God to lead America down the righteous path.

I know what you mean, goober... and I agree, it amazes me that the bush supporters refuse to beleive anything bad about their leader while trashing everyone else who has ever been in the office... as if that excuses the antics of those now in power...

it doesn't.

Executive Privilege is turning out to be bush's:

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Re: Exec Priv claimed on Tillman documents

Wow, executive privilege again. WTF is going on. A special prosecutor needs to be appointed and all executive privilege thrown out and everyone put under oath like yesterday. Its time for the damn crooks to be exposed. And why isn't this on the news?
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Wow, executive privilege again. WTF is going on. A special prosecutor needs to be appointed and all executive privilege thrown out and everyone put under oath like yesterday. Its time for the damn crooks to be exposed. And why isn't this on the news?
What's going on is that Cheney really believes the executive branch is a monarchy - and so he's claiming exec privilege on anything.
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Re: Exec Priv claimed on Tillman documents

During war the president requires powers above the scrutiny of the other (minor) branches of the government. The legislative and judicial branches must be subserviant. Without this power that allows the executive to protect us, we will all die.
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During war the president requires powers above the scrutiny of the other (minor) branches of the government. The legislative and judicial branches must be subserviant. Without this power that allows the executive to protect us, we will all die.
Oddly enough, they never realized this during WWII. Well, Hitler did - not the US.
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