The weekly standard is not even a news organization. It is the house organ for PNAC - a partisan think tank. Since they were the authors of this mess they have a vested interest in continuing to feed the koolaid drinkers. That doesn't mean anyone else should listen to them.

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A nation of slaves is always prepared to applaud the clemency of their master, who, in the abuse of absolute power, does not proceed to the last extremes of injustice and oppression.
Edward Gibbon

No proof except the fact that none have ever been found and every credible person who has searched for them comes to the same conclusion.

Even if the "russia moved them" fairy tale were true, how would it be relevant to the lies that got us into Iraq? Clearly the weapons were gone and when they had existed they never posed a threat to the US. Just as clearly there was never a link between Iraq and 911. I know you realize that these two claims - threat to the US and ties to 911 - are the principle lies we are talking about here.

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A nation of slaves is always prepared to applaud the clemency of their master, who, in the abuse of absolute power, does not proceed to the last extremes of injustice and oppression.
Edward Gibbon

Regardless, the Feith memo is still fact. How do you acct for the intel the DoD had? Read it from the liberal Post if you prefer that bias.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

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"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

-Thomas Jefferson

Whether we found them or not, the thought that they DID have them was to a lie or misleading. We simply got it wrong. Argue incompetence if you want.

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"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

-Thomas Jefferson

The vast - VAST - majority of the evidence contradicts your claims. You've been hoping these "missing papers" would prove your case for years now and nothing has ever come of it. I think it's time to give it up.

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A nation of slaves is always prepared to applaud the clemency of their master, who, in the abuse of absolute power, does not proceed to the last extremes of injustice and oppression.
Edward Gibbon

yea yea, I think you've said that before.

Russia moved them fairy tale? Did you search it? A lot of links out there.

As to the part I quoted; Who said the two are not related?

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

IT IS TIME for Americans to take back the country and start a new government.

Ah, yes, that's exactly what I said.

Stones and glass houses, you know.

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Vast vast majority?
Yea.....riiiiight.
Keep on believing.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

IT IS TIME for Americans to take back the country and start a new government.

Incompetence? And all the "mistakes" just happened to lead to the very conclusions w needed them to in order to con the american public into going along with the invasion. All the "mistakes" just happened to match up with every single desire of the PNAC folks who were writing w's foreign policy. All the "mistakes" just happened to play into w's domestic political agenda just in time to hand him a congressional majority in the '02 election.

I'm sorry but if this was mere incompetence then some of those "mistakes" would have pointed to conclusions that did not fit w's plans quite so well. None of them did. At least none that the admin allowed to be made public. The astounding level of "coincidence" that you are willing to swallow in order to believe such a thing would choke me if I tried it.

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A nation of slaves is always prepared to applaud the clemency of their master, who, in the abuse of absolute power, does not proceed to the last extremes of injustice and oppression.
Edward Gibbon

Let me butt in on this.

prousa, then this evidence suggests Saddam was compliant in part because he did remove the WMD from Iraq where they would not be a threat to anyone.

Saddam was a bad guy, but he was not worth even ONE american life to remove.

Continue to believe otherwise, the body's are still falling.

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I think this is a valid question.
Alot of people probably did not lie.
However, when one of us hits and kills someone in our car, we are charged with manslaughter.
No ones head has rolled nor have anyone been repirmanded.
People get emotional when thinking about all the death , and on top of that the blank excuses (Saddam had to go) -eventually, people get tired and say there are liars.

I think the Bush admin and some of his supporters are on a no-holds-barred 'saving face' mission.
It is not working.

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The government has failed in its duty. Its time American citizens stepped up and collectively shouted "INCOMPETENCE" so that these mistakes do not happen again and, perhaps, some pay the price of making mistakes (jail time, fines, firing).

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Sorry, it still dosent square with what the rest of the world was doing. Was PNAC writing the CIAs intelligence summaries, the UN resolutions, Russias stance, Clintons foreign policy, Al Gores candidacy? All of these people said that Sadaam was hiding something. Perhaps its actually the other way around. PNACs policy was based on the same misinformation that Bush and the CIA were getting.

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"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

-Thomas Jefferson

None of those people invaded Iraq. Only w used those intelligence "mistakes" as the rationale for invasion and occupation. Only w thought that intelligence was enough to justify the sacrifice of american soldiers and the deaths of 10s of thousands of Iraqis. Only w scheduled the war hysteria to coincide with the 2002 congressional campaign season. only w made a speech warning about a "mushroom cloud" just days before that election.

You need to stop blaming other people for things that w did.

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A nation of slaves is always prepared to applaud the clemency of their master, who, in the abuse of absolute power, does not proceed to the last extremes of injustice and oppression.
Edward Gibbon

I said it again because you didn't have an answer last time either but you keep bringing it up as if it has some relevance to what we're talking about.

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A nation of slaves is always prepared to applaud the clemency of their master, who, in the abuse of absolute power, does not proceed to the last extremes of injustice and oppression.
Edward Gibbon