BBC ON THIS DAY | 5 | 1989: Irangate colonel avoids prison

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FDR's second Inaugural Address

Of course the convictions were vacated after the appeals court determined that certain witnesses could have been affected by his immunized testimony. So as Matt already told you, in the eyes of the law, he's not a convicted perjurer. Sorry to disappoint you Goober.

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Apparently, you don't understand what it means when a conviction is vacated.

That, or you are only concerned about the rule of law when it happens to boost your rabid partisanship.

Either way, I'd be very embarrassed to have written what you wrote.

Matt

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va·cate (vā'kāt', vā-kāt') Pronunciation Key
v. va·cat·ed, va·cat·ing, va·cates

Law To make void or annul; countermand


aka Goober .. not convicted of perjury.

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Maybe you misunderstand, Ollie North swore to tell the truth, and then flat out lied, thats a fact.
That's the character of the man, he's a liar.
Same with Poindexter and Libby.
They are liars, and they are honored by the party, as if those lies were great acts of heroism.
I know they got off, but everyone knows they did it.
If a child molester had his conviction vacated on a technicality, would you let him babysit your kids?

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“ The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

What I find most interesting in this thread is that the whiney bed-wetting libs won't even consider the possiblity that, if Gonzales is convicted of something, Bush might just not do anything...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

His vacated conviction did not make his crime disappear. The man is a criminal who deserves our scorn and contempt. Instead he is treated like a hero.

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Not at all, and I wouldn't go around saying he was convicted of child molestation either.

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I'm not trying to prevent scorn and contempt -- have all the scorn and contempt parties you wish; I'm just setting the facts straight that he's not a convicted perjurer.

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You could plug Bill Clinton in there in place of Ollie North and have it be just as true. Even moreso as Clinton's conviction on contempt was never reversed, and he pled guilty with respect to disbarment.

Interestingly, while most of us condemn North and Poindexter (nobody seems to be defending them at all in this thread), the same cannot be said of Clinton.

I also object to calling the blatant violation of someone's Constitutional rights a "technicality".

But then, I am not partisan enough to think those rights only apply when one has the "correct" party affiliation.

Matt

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Exculpatory testimony like Clintons, is almost never prosecuted as perjury.

The type of perjury committed by North, Libby, Poindexter, is the worst. Because it is lying to cover up a criminal enterprise.

The fact remains, Ollie North is a lying scumbag, who is a hero in the Republican Party, because he lied, he is rewarded for lying for the Party, just like Poindexter and Libby, and Gonzales will some enter the Pantheon of lying scumbag Republican Heroes.

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“ The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

I agree - North is a lying scumbag.

I don't agree that he is a "hero" to the Republican party.

Matt

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Forgive me if I didn't wade thru the whole thread once I noticed the first page had devolved to the all-too-common "you're more partisan and/or stupid than I am".

Anyone with a proper legal training is quite welcome to correct me, but isn't perjury defined as willful lying about information material to (or believed to be) an investigation or trial of a crime?

If so, Bush should not pardon Gonzales, just as he should not have pardoned Libby, because there was no perjury to pardon. Libby misspoke (or even lied) about something that had no bearing on investigators determining who if anyone committed a crime in the Plame affair. As for Gonzales, it doesn't matter if he claimed to have never even heard of Bush, since there never was a crime to investigate, and thus no material information.

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Tomorrow's forecast: 100% chance of more 'politics as usual'

Maybe it's finally time to vote Libertarian

Yeah, they showed their disrespect by lining up speaking engagements and running him for the senate.
How did Poindexter get to head up "Total Information Awareness", was that another case of shunning him by giving him a big job?

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“ The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

So there are only 2 states of being - shunned and hero?



You are - as usual - trying to claim that every Republican holds these guys up as heros. It is - as usual - nonsense.

Matt

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