Originally Posted by goober

Yeah, they showed their disrespect by lining up speaking engagements and running him for the senate.
How did Poindexter get to head up "Total Information Awareness", was that another case of shunning him by giving him a big job?

Originally Posted by Evil_inKarlate

Forgive me if I didn't wade thru the whole thread once I noticed the first page had devolved to the all-too-common "you're more partisan and/or stupid than I am".

Anyone with a proper legal training is quite welcome to correct me, but isn't perjury defined as willful lying about information material to (or believed to be) an investigation or trial of a crime?

If so, Bush should not pardon Gonzales, just as he should not have pardoned Libby, because there was no perjury to pardon. Libby misspoke (or even lied) about something that had no bearing on investigators determining who if anyone committed a crime in the Plame affair. As for Gonzales, it doesn't matter if he claimed to have never even heard of Bush, since there never was a crime to investigate, and thus no material information.

Originally Posted by Steve

He held that job for just under nine months.

Wow... You're right. What a big payoff he got with that gig...

Originally Posted by goober

He got the job based on his lies, he lost it when the public found out.

Originally Posted by Steve

Do you have a reference for that? I only know when he started and when he left, but not the reason for why he left the position.

And nothing personal, but it's going to take a Helluva' lot more than just your saying that's why he left...

Originally Posted by Steve

If Gonzales is convicted of something, I hope Bush pardons him, just to see the hissy-fits the fuckin' libs will throw...

Originally Posted by Owl Mirror

I invite you to review these fuckin' libs throwing a hissy-fit.

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Anyone with a proper legal training is quite welcome to correct me, but isn't perjury defined as willful lying about information material to (or believed to be) an investigation or trial of a crime?

Originally Posted by Evil_inKarlate

I know that's the broadest definition, but surely there are limitations to prevent me from suing you for who knows what, getting you on the stand and under oath, then causing you to perjur yourself about wearing women's panties or whatever irrelevent skeleton might be in your closet? Or asking you about so many non-material minutia that you eventually slip up on Something, like the shoes you were wearing on the date of whatever I was suing you for?

Originally Posted by goober

I think you are beginning to see this from Bill Clinton's point of view.
He was being sued for sexual harassment, which is defined as making repeated unwanted advances. Yet there was only one unwanted advance included in the lawsuit, since there was no repeat behavior alleged, the judge should have dismissed the case, then and there, yet Bill Clinton was forced to give a deposition, where he could be asked embarrassing questions under oath.

The lawsuit was one that would not be handled by any lawyer on a contingency basis, as it was doomed to fail, but it was financed by the right wing political opponents of the president, in order to get him in a position where he could be asked embarrassing questions.

Originally Posted by MattLarson

Oh, poor Bill was forced to lie under oath.

Nonsense - he knew he was under oath and he knew he was lying.

And lest we forget, he looked directly into the camera and delivered an impassioned, podium thumping denial that he had sexual relations with Lewinsky.

Was he unaware he was lying when he did that, or did the mean old GOP hold Buddy hostage and force him to lie if he ever wanted to see his dog again?



The lengths some folks will go to to pretend Clinton didn't willfully and deliberately lie both under oath and to the American people is truly amusing.

Kinda pathetic, but amusing none the less.

Matt

Originally Posted by goober

Are you responding to something I wrote?
Or to something that you wish I wrote so you could respond?

Originally Posted by MattLarson

Post 84, your heart-wrenching account of the terrible circumstances surrounding Saint Bill's martyrdom by the evil GOP.

You know, the post I quoted in my post?

Matt