How can the U.S. embargo on Cuba be stopped? - Page 2 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

Wallaroo · #16 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007

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Originally Posted by goober

Blame it on the Electoral College.
Florida's electoral votes determine who wins the White House, and the Cuban community in Florida is large enough to have a serious impact on the Florida vote.
The US voting system magnifies the effect of small voting blocks, which is why sanctions imposed on Cuba in the 60's are still there, and why the US is unwavering in it's support of Israel.

Because the Cubans here are overwhelmingly anti-Castro, there is no gain in proposing a rational Cuba policy, and because the Jews in the US are overwhelmingly pro-Israel, there is no gain in proposing a rational Israel policy.

Then the Electoral College system obviously needs to be changed. It is simply not fair and rational that a small bunch of ordinary people can dictate Americas Cuba policy just because they live in the right state.

Steve · #17 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007

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Originally Posted by Wallaroo

Then the Electoral College system obviously needs to be changed. It is simply not fair and rational that a small bunch of ordinary people can dictate Americas Cuba policy just because they live in the right state.

If there were reasons to change the Electoral Collge, that wouldn't be one of them.

They're not "dictating" policy. They simply put their vote where they want it...

Wallaroo · #18 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007

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Originally Posted by ThorHammer

wait, now you want us to deal with a regime that oppresses its own people?

Condeming us for dealing with oppressive regimes, then turn around and want us starting dealing with another....

Its the fucking hypocrisy of the U.S foreign policy that I recent like hell, and it stinks to high heaven. The U.S is not boycotting other oppressive dictatorships like Saudi Arabia, Iran, or North Korea, even though they are much worse than Cuba. The U.S have even supported oppressive dictatorships like Iraq and Chile (just to name a few) in the past. Its big time bullshit!

Steve · #19 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007

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Originally Posted by Wallaroo

Its the fucking hypocrisy of the U.S foreign policy that I recent like hell, and it stinks to high heaven. The U.S is not boycotting other oppressive dictatorships like Saudi Arabia, Iran, or North Korea, even though they are much worse than Cuba. The U.S have even supported oppressive dictatorships like Iraq and Chile (just to name a few) in the past. Its big time bullshit!

Whine elsewhere.

You think we should lift the embargo simply because of how we deal with other countries, whose situations are completely different than Cuba?

Why would we do that? There's yet to be a compelling reason offered which supports lifting the embargo...

mawg · #20 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007

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Originally Posted by Wallaroo

I know very little about this subject, which is why I started this thread to see if someone can explain it. I was told that the large amount of Cubans in Florida are very much against Castro and communism, and that they for some reason have a huge influence on Americas Cuba politics.

a lot of us Americans are anti-castro and anti-communist and there is nothing that is going to change that.

Steve · #21 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007

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Originally Posted by Wallaroo

I know very little about this subject

Wallaroo, I think it's fucking hysterical that you post what you did above, and then follow it up with what you posted later, quoted below:

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Its the fucking hypocrisy of the U.S foreign policy that I recent like hell, and it stinks to high heaven. The U.S is not boycotting other oppressive dictatorships like Saudi Arabia, Iran, or North Korea, even though they are much worse than Cuba. The U.S have even supported oppressive dictatorships like Iraq and Chile (just to name a few) in the past. Its big time bullshit!

You should make an attempt to be even the slightest bit intellectually honest when you post this shit...

Slon · #22 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007

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Originally Posted by ThorHammer

wait, now you want us to deal with a regime that oppresses its own people?

Condeming us for dealing with oppressive regimes, then turn around and want us starting dealing with another....

It's possible to suggest that people stop dealing with oppressive regimes while being against an outright government ban against them. I don't want people to use drugs, get completely stoned and then drive around, but I don't want to ban them from using them either.

Strider · #23 (**permalink**) 11-13-2007

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Originally Posted by Wallaroo

Then the Electoral College system obviously needs to be changed. It is simply not fair and rational that a small bunch of ordinary people can dictate Americas Cuba policy just because they live in the right state.

Actually, reforming the electoral college wouldn't overly change that. If we made a move to straight popular vote, candidates would then campaign in maybe 4 to 10 states at the absolute maximum. One of those states would be Florida.

pramjockey · #24 (**permalink**) 11-13-2007

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Originally Posted by Strider

Actually, reforming the electoral college wouldn't overly change that. If we made a move to straight popular vote, candidates would then campaign in maybe 4 to 10 states at the absolute maximum. One of those states would be Florida.

I don't know that this is necessarily true.

erikvv · #25 (**permalink**) 11-13-2007

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Originally Posted by Strider

Actually, reforming the electoral college wouldn't overly change that. If we made a move to straight popular vote, candidates would then campaign in maybe 4 to 10 states at the absolute maximum. One of those states would be Florida.

Maybe we could make like 30 electoral districts with the same population size? thats 15 representatives per district.

Opa · #26 (**permalink**) 11-26-2007

We have had 10 Presidents since Castro came to power. This foolishness will only be stopped by a President in his/her second term and therefor no longer needing the 27 electoral votes Florida gives them. early in his/her second term he/she should announce that they are going to Cuba to work out their differences with Castro and put this behind us. Maybe invite Chavez too. We never had any trouble with him until Bush tried to overthrow him!

Steerpike · #27 (**permalink**) 12-04-2007

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Originally Posted by erikvv

What voting system? Even if the UN manages to pass some sort of resolution the US still wont follow it.

Why should any sovereign nation allow other nations or multi-national organizations to determine their policies?

skeptic1 · #28 (**permalink**) 12-12-2007

I was always under he impression Cuba was the Mafia's playgroung and Castro destroyed their hold when he took over. (A NO NO related to both the Mafia and those who benefitted from it.

Of course his getting in bed with the USSR and allowing (unsuccessfully) for their Missiles to be placd there along with other detrimental acts cooked his goose.

Simultaneously however we ringed the USSR with our own missiles and at the time I thought it sort of a Mexican standoff and was undisturbrd by Casteros action.

It IMO is time to lift the embargo !!!

erikvv · #29 (**permalink**) 12-12-2007

None of the big presidential candidates is going to allow it. Huckabee just flip-flopped on it as well after visiting Florida.

Imperator · #30 (**permalink**) 12-15-2007

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

I don't know that this is necessarily true.

I think its close opt the truth...California, Texas, new york Florida etc...the states with the highest concentration of populace would be visited I think a great deal more than say Montana...then again, its not like republicans spend a lot of time there anyway, as they vote straight republican 80% of the time anyway..

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