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View Poll Results: What should the United States do with regard to "Executive Privilege?"
Expand it - Explain why in your post 1 2.63%
Leave it alone - Explain why in your post 17 44.74%
Restrict it 12 31.58%
Eliminate it 8 21.05%
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Old 04-30-2008
Steerpike Steerpike is offline
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Re: Executive Privilege

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We have a system of checks and balances. The FULL executive power of the Federal Government is vested in the President and through him the executive branch. Law enforcement is an executive function. However, failure to faithfully execute those powers or to abuse ones power and discretion is a "political" matter over which the legislative branch DOES have full and unfettered constitutional authority to deal with (with tools ranging from refusing to appropriate funds up to impeachment and removal from office).
It needn't be a "political" matter with the issue at hand ("Executive Privilege"). If the law was written to make certain legal consequences of non-compliance mandatory, then politics is taken out of the equation and ethical principle replaces it. If one is opposed to ethical government, then one will oppose a legally mandatory ethical approach.

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That would be unconstitutional, law enforcement is an executive function, and impeachment powers rest soley with the Congress.
The United States Constitution can be amended.

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Because I understand that there is no workable system of government in a representative republic which completely prevents the possibility of unethical governance, and that the system of separation of powers and checks and balances is still far superior to any other idea that has been proposed.
You are entitled to your subjective opinion. In your opinion, is there any room for improvement in the current system?

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Let me ask you this, would this "separate enforcement force" for the legislative branch be answerable to the legislative branch? How would its members be appointed? Would they be unaccountable? If so, what is to stop abuse of their own power?
There is a sound logical argument for ethical government and the need for accountability in the first post. Of course, any enforcement force (i.e., police) would have to be accountable. Legal authority would be limited to what is necessary for their duties.

Use of the current law enforcement structure could be utilized if they can be relied on to enforce the law. If the law reflected the discussed changes, then could they be relied on to enforce the law?
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Old 06-11-2008
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Post Re: Executive Privilege

Through the historical growth and prosperity of the United States, the powers of the President have expanded commensurately and beyond what is reasonable to grant or expect of any one person. Our system has not been properly amended to check or diminish these powers. If Executive Privilege is to remain intact then I propose we grant the public the authority to impeach and remove a President from office. Furthermore, the only way a President can be removed is if he or she is convicted of a heinous crime; massive incompetence is not grounds for impeachment. The President and Executive branch are permitted to run this country (and any other within our military influence) into the ground without any direct accountability, unless s/he is literally recorded breaking the law. Or to put it another way: Lying is unacceptable, but omitting the truth is.
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Old 06-12-2008
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Re: Executive Privilege

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Whether or not there is statutory basis for “Executive Privilege” , it could be proscribed by law.

If government ought to be ethical, then all officials of government ought to be accountable. If all officials of government ought to be accountable, then there ought be no way to evade accountability. If there ought be no way to evade accountability, then “Executive Privilege” ought to be either eliminated or restricted to request. Government ought to be ethical. Therefore, “Executive Privilege” ought to be either eliminated or restricted to request.

Here is the wikipedia link about Executive Privilege.

Executive privilege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the interests of “good government” what do you think the United States should do with “Executive Privilege” as it currently exists?

Discuss.
It needs to be left alone, its one of the separation of powers tools that enables the president to make the tough decisions.

History will be the judge of every president not bloggers, pundits, and political opponents. If a president abuses his power then history will judge him for it. The only problem with that is that the true impact of the presidents decisions may not be realized or understood for years after their terms are over.
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Old 06-12-2008
John Drake John Drake is offline
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Re: Executive Privilege

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It needs to be left alone, its one of the separation of powers tools that enables the president to make the tough decisions.

History will be the judge of every president not bloggers, pundits, and political opponents. If a president abuses his power then history will judge him for it. The only problem with that is that the true impact of the presidents decisions may not be realized or understood for years after their terms are over.
"You know, I think maybe President Swampgase"s decision to start Nuclear War with Russia 50 years ago may not have been the best idea."

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Old 06-19-2008
daddio daddio is offline
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Re: Executive Privilege

Lets break this down

If government ought to be ethical, then all officials of government ought to be accountable.

OK

If all officials of government ought to be accountable, then there ought be no way to evade accountability.

OK

If there ought be no way to evade accountability, then “Executive Privilege” ought to be either eliminated or restricted to request.

uh oh, big leap in logic here !

Government ought to be ethical.

OK, never happen but your heart's in the right place

Therefore, “Executive Privilege” ought to be either eliminated or restricted to request.

you seem to think that there is no accountability, unless you're a felon or not a citizen you (among others) provide accountability every four years
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Old 06-19-2008
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Re: Executive Privilege

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If government ought to be ethical, then all officials of government ought to be accountable.
If all officials of government ought to be accountable, then there ought be no way to evade accountability.
If there ought be no way to evade accountability, then “Executive Privilege” ought to be either eliminated or restricted to request.
Government ought to be ethical.
Therefore, “Executive Privilege” ought to be either eliminated or restricted to request.
Okay, this is all fine and dandy as far as keeping the executive branch ethical, but has no check or balance to ensure the legislative branch is ethical. Executive privilege is largely a defense against a corrupt legislature. If you can somehow ensure the legislature is ethical, then you are correct, there should be no need for EP. Unfortunately, they are probably the Most corrupt branch of government, making EP Very necessary.
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