Right. I don't know how old you are, but I recall actually hearing people in the late 50's and 60's say things like, "He must be smarter/better. He IS the president, after all."

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Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

Well I think bush is heckled more because an idiot president is ten times worse than a horny president

So the distinction here is that the Phelps protesters have no reasonable expectation of their protesting furthering their goal, whereas the protesters of Bush at a ceremony have a reasonable expectation that Bush will see the light because of their shouting? I wouldn't think that the degrees of separation would matter, if results are the prime consideration (i.e. the fact that the particular soldier might not have been gay is irrelevant, since all soldiers are complicit in allowing homosexuals in the military by not, say, beating them to death, when they suspect a homosexual in the midst - perhaps they would protest the live soldiers if they weren't afraid those soldiers would simply knock their teeth out).

It appears to me that you're dressing up your visceral disgust at one group and not the other as a rational distinction. Make no mistake, I view Phelps as a sick person whereas I'd view the anti-Bush protesters as merely selfish, but I don't see shades of kookery. Both groups are claiming to be doing some sort of "moral duty" without regard for who it might be upsetting, and both groups should have no reasonable expectation of their actions creating the outcome they claim to want.

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You're right Scribbler.

Not old enough to have heard that ( ), but old enough to have read takes on the POTUS from those days.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

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Why is it selfish to protest a needless war or constitutional violations or the fact that Bush might try to start another war with Iran?

Since when is patriotism selfish?

She's right. In fact, *I* give inspirational speeches all the time.
The problem is my Wife is sick of them and the cats just look bored.

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Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

So what Mrs. M. is saying is that people should protest "nicely" in places where they won't attract any attention.

(kinda defeats the whole rationale for protesting, but hey, at least it spares the corrupt pols any more embarassment )

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I believe what most of us mean about the protests being worse in recent years is where the protest take place. Growing up, I didn't hear about assholes interrupting funerals, graduations, citizenship ceremonies, etc. in order to make a political statement. Decent folks consider it rude to do such things but there's no shortages of jerks in society. I know you think it's your "patriotic duty" to protest the President wherever he happens to be but if you did so, you'd be no better than the assholes I'm talking about.

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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, What a Ride!"

I didnt say the military heckled sam i said he was heckled . but nice duck


no hostility sam i just dont trust your true motives on that thread and i dont think you would be so easily moved by deaths in a war YOUR party would support

YOu once again didnt answer my question, if a person heckeld obama for what they feel he is incompetent on or that they felt like you do for bush that he is unfit would you allow that??


And since we have been down this road so many times i know you wont answer any question straight up so i dont expect real answers to the above . but i must point out; you know i am not a republican and i dont claim either party , we also know your are a active democrat , so your holier than thou ending there just shows why i ask you questions in regards to these issue............

No, cupcake, use that silly little head of yours for a moment. I'm saying that people shouldn't protest events such as citizenship ceremonies, funerals, graduations, etc. because they're doing so at the expense of the attendants AND they aren't effective. In fact, only a stupid dick would do something like that.

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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, What a Ride!"

post the link to the post please, I'll read it...

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Mortgage Backed Security survivor

want to back up this statement

how many terrorist attacks during clintons reign of appeasement?

here are some clinton getting heckled articles just for shits and grins

Bill Clinton Heckled as 'War Criminal'

MyFox Los Angeles | Clinton Heckled During Forum on Global Warming in Los Angeles

YouTube - Clinton's Angry Response to Heckler

NewsLibrary.com - newspaper archive, clipping service - newspapers and other news sources

and here are some with clinton getting heckled at the Vietnam war memorial and by a veteran
The ghosts of Vietnam. (war veterans snub President Clinton at Memorial Day ceremonies) (American Survey) (Column) | Economist (US), The | Find Articles at BNET

Evaluation: Army Veteran Tossed From Clinton Rally After Heckling Impeached Ex-President Bill Clinton

Kewl and then I can say intellijunt things like "almost everyone" can give an inspirational speech, just like big grown up Mrs. M!

(well at least Mrs. M's party agrees with her. . .

GOP Rep: Bush "Should Stay Home" During Republican Convention - Politics on The Huffington Post)

Not true. This partcular protest was a hole-in-one--they got GWB to say, w/his own flapper, that "we believe in freedom of speech" all the while he had the ones speaking their mind hauled away by security--instantaneous hypocrisy, right smack in front of the new citizens to be,

talk about a real world education

They can't. Those !@#$s keep getting arrested in Minneapolis airport bathrooms and similar places. Only then do they protest. . .

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