I'm sure the "far right wing" will heckle the next Democratic president and the "far left wing" will heckle the next Republican president. That's because both groups tend to be total idiots and assholes and thankfully, not representative of all Democrats or Republicans. I'm "right wing" but not an extremist and would never heckle any sitting president. It's stupid and childish behavior from attention seeking morons.

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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, What a Ride!"

This is news to me, pram... have you perchance a link?

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On that we agree.

not quite sure how the phelps' weirdos equates to the code pinkers... but yes... both are guaranteed their demonstrations even if we don't like what they are saying...

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Unfortunately, not at this time and I can't look for it here.

Even so, I guarantee you that Bush has not met with the families of the ~4000 dead that the official statistic lists.

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When they come a wull staun ma groon
Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

So, if you can't beat him, join him?

I don't view you as comparable to Fred Phelps in general. Certainly your politics are quite different. You are, however, apparently united in the belief that forcing your personal political messages takes precedent over people's enjoyment/participation in a ceremony with personal meaning, your histrionics notwithstanding. That is, you expressed an unwillingness to restrain yourself from screaming a message at people who most likely don't want to hear it because of their preference for participating in or observing a personal, meaningful event. Like Phelps, you believe that their desire to do this is trumped by your own desire to scream.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

I explained my take on this in the post above. And yes, both are guaranteed their rights to do what they do, and I wouldn't have it any other way. I don't believe that it is the duty of legislation to enforce common decency and courtesy.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

The Constitution does grant the right but disrupting citizenship ceremonies and funerals in order to exercise that right is downright rude and IMO, ineffective. It makes the protester look like total asses to those more sane and it intrudes on otherwise solemn or joyous occasion. I can't imagine ever being so full of hatred that I would rob a family just to exercise my "rights". But the world is full of assholes....

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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, What a Ride!"

I would tend to agree with that... he may meet with a few... but not all of them...

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I cannot teach anybody anything, I can only make them think.
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Yes, the effectiveness is another valid point. I recall that Tom Ridge spoke at my graduation ceremony from college. The speech was general fare about going off into the world, success, etc - nothing political. At one point during the ceremony a group of extremely dirty kids carrying poorly designed signs ran into the ceremony screaming something about how the Department of Homeland Security was full of Nazis or something of the sort. This was met with boos and derision from the assembled crowd of proud parents until the distraction was removed by security.

I seriously doubt that the message touched any ears that day. If the point of such activities is to persuade people, I'd imagine it's one of the least effective possible ways to do so. Messing up something of sentimental importance to people is hardly going to bring them around to your line of thinking, any more than I would persuade you to see things my way by showing up at your dinner party and urinating in the punch. I think, however, the point of such activities is generally for idealists to get their "protest bones" and later point out how they're being silenced by the opposition, or else perhaps the point is simply to seek attention. In this case, I suppose it's effective.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

Nor would I... no matter how disgusting we think some people are, they do have the right to protest anywhere, anytime as long as they obey the rules.

I would stand outside and after bush was done with his speech and leaving, give him the Royal Canadian Presidential Salute as he passed by...

and I'm sure you know of which gesture I refer to, don't you, Mrs. M?

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I cannot teach anybody anything, I can only make them think.
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hey, I did it for you, check my link, if its not good enough I will certainly understand so I welcome others, and no back tracking please, ......I'll be around...

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Obama-e fungis nati homines....

I do wish people would think before they act! Those kids got attention alright, but at the expense of those gathering for a joyous occasion...something which many parents paid thousands and thousands of dollars to see!

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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, What a Ride!"

you've made reference to that salute twice, we get it.....


anyway, as I said, its counter productive because people who might normally be receptive to protest messages etc. , will not when confronted by over dramatized outlandish behavior. Would you?

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Obama-e fungis nati homines....

If you chose to "salute" the President as he was leaving, I'd have no problem with you exercising your right to free speech. I may not agree with you showing disrespect but I respect your rights. I'm definitely glad you're not one of the assholes that would exercise them at the expense of everyone around you though.

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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, What a Ride!"