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Re: Bush Heckled During July 4 Speech

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If you didn't a !@#$, why did you go to the ceremony?
I was in town already and my family wanted to see it. It only took a few hours and it made a lot of people happy.

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You could've collected your diploma by mail. Someone who actually went to the ceremony likely does see it as something meaningful and wouldn't want it ruined w/an inappriopriately chosen speaker.
I went to Carnegie Mellon University, and the speaker was the man who was the governor of Pennsylvania during the time I was in college. That seems like not only an appropriate speaker, but a prestigious one, the general importance of whom seemed to add to the atmosphere for those attending, your personal political opinions notwithstanding.

From general reading of your posts, your politics are fringe and the bulk of your content designed for shock value instead of intelligent discourse, so your definition of "appropriate" in this circumstance is generally going to be considered irrelevant by most of society. If you scoured the globe long enough, you could find someone who would get their knickers irrationally twisted about anyone who spoke at such an event.
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When you graduate high school, be sure to come back here and tell us what the speaker said. Most of us that have been through high school and college graduations didn't pay much attention to the speeches because we know they're all the same.
They're not all the same, and as someone who graduated high school (in addition to college), our HS grad speaker was a student leader held in high regard. They didn't just pick any random flunkie (i. e. someone ranked 894/899) to speak for the class.
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They're not all the same, and as someone who graduated high school (in addition to college), our HS grad speaker was a student leader held in high regard. They didn't just pick any random flunkie (i. e. someone ranked 894/899) to speak for the class.
Well, cupcake, what did the speaker say????
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raises paw... ok if I answer them?

1) As I recall, Bill Clinton had a student deferment, much the same as Dick Cheney. Since you deride Clinton for dodging the war, do you also deride Cheney?
I rea that as to refute Viola Lee's implication that Clinton didn't get heckled. I don't think he said it was either right or wrong.

(don't mind me, I'm just heckling...er, offering a different take)
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Re: Bush Heckled During July 4 Speech

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I was in town already and my family wanted to see it. It only took a few hours and it made a lot of people happy.



I went to Carnegie Mellon University, and the speaker was the man who was the governor of Pennsylvania during the time I was in college. That seems like not only an appropriate speaker, but a prestigious one, the general importance of whom seemed to add to the atmosphere for those attending, your personal political opinions notwithstanding.
Right, so if someone like Michael Brown were chosen to speak instead of the Governor of PA, it would still have made those people just as happy?

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From general reading of your posts, your politics are fringe and the bulk of your content designed for shock value instead of intelligent discourse, so your definition of "appropriate" in this circumstance is generally going to be considered irrelevant by most of society. If you scoured the globe long enough, you could find someone who would get their knickers irrationally twisted about anyone who spoke at such an event.
Probably, but the factor that gauges who is an appropriate speaker is not whether someone would "get their knickers irrationally twisted" but rather whether half the student body gets its knickers twisted rationally, which would likely be the case if Brown (see above) were chosen.
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Re: Bush Heckled During July 4 Speech

If you guys think Clinton got heckled during his presidency, can you show me the news stories? I'm interested to see what they were heckling him about.

Most people were relaxing in the longest stretch of peace and prosperity in our history during the 90s. I don't remember any dissent. Except of course on the part of those Republican busy body hypocrites like Newt Gingrich who were investigating his private life, after Newt cheated on his own wife.
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Presidents speak all the time....I don't expect him to hide from society because of the potential for being heckled. Bush is unpopular and (I think) for good reason. But an extra idiot yelling inappropriate things at a speech to honor our country doesn't exemplify or amplify the nation's sentiment.
Actually, I think Bush DOES hide from society. If memory serves, almost all of his appearances have been carefully controlled as to admission, wearing certain T-shirts,, signs etc.

In fact, the only one I recall was when he threw out the first pitch last time. Didn't they boo the living hell out of him then?
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Well, cupcake, what did the speaker say????
He said "Our nation is in desperate need of leadership."

-- June, 1989

(damn, Mrs. M walked right into that one )
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Right, so if someone like Michael Brown were chosen to speak instead of the Governor of PA, it would still have made those people just as happy?
Probably most of them. But, this was in 2002, so the few who would have known who he was probably wouldn't have had any negative feelings about him.

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Probably, but the factor that gauges who is an appropriate speaker is not whether someone would "get their knickers irrationally twisted" but rather whether half the student body gets its knickers twisted rationally, which would likely be the case if Brown (see above) were chosen.
Well, I'm in a pretty good position to gauge the reaction of the student body. I don't recall anyone being upset about the choice of speaker at their graduation. Most of the students seemed more concerned with celebrating with friends and family.
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Re: Bush Heckled During July 4 Speech

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If you guys think Clinton got heckled during his presidency, can you show me the news stories? I'm interested to see what they were heckling him about.

Most people were relaxing in the longest stretch of peace and prosperity in our history during the 90s. I don't remember any dissent. Except of course on the part of those Republican busy body hypocrites like Newt Gingrich who were investigating his private life, after Newt cheated on his own wife.
I don't think that whether or not a politician is heckled really means much of everything. In a divided, partisan society, you will be prone to heckling simply by being a politician.
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Well, I'm in a pretty good position to gauge the reaction of the student body. I don't recall anyone being upset about the choice of speaker at their graduation. Most of the students seemed more concerned with celebrating with friends and family.


Or just getting through the reading of 1000 names...
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Did you word "almost" throw you, cupcake?
Nope.

"Almost anyone" implies the bulk of Americans, most of whom are not leaders, much less role models, and who couldn't inspire if their weekend depended on it.
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He said "Our nation is in desperate need of leadership."

-- June, 1989

(damn, Mrs. M walked right into that one )
That's all your great speaker said? Geez! Any moron could have stood up and repeated one sentence.

(damn, cupcake walked right into that one )
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Re: Bush Heckled During July 4 Speech

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I don't think that whether or not a politician is heckled really means much of everything. In a divided, partisan society, you will be prone to heckling simply by being a politician.
You think a president who resides over peace and prosperity gets heckled the same amount as a president who resides over war based on lies and record debt and a dollar slump and a stock market downfall and record gas prices and a recession?

I don't think so....
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Much as it is the duty of Fred Phelps to oppose moral degradation at the funerals of soldiers, and common courtesy or decency in the face of selfishness be damned.
That's entirely different. Phred Phelps and his cult "protest" the funerals of individual soldiers who have ZERO direct impact on his little band of witch-burners, and for quite different reasons.
People who detest Bush and make things uncomfortable at these rallies usually see him and his policies AS directly affecting the whole country.
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